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Teachers changing year groups

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Royaldada · 19/06/2016 12:43

Is it more common for KS2 teachers to teach different year groups every year than it is Rec/KS1.

The reason why I ask this is because apart from a change in job share teacher. Next year's Rec/KS1 teachers are the same as this year's but in KS2

A Yr 3 teacher will be teaching one Yr 5 class and a Yr 4 teacher will be teaching the other and both Yr 5 teachers will be in Yrs 3 and 4

Both Yr 6 teachers are the same

and I wondering if this common or not

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LemonRedwood · 19/06/2016 21:51

You'll find year 6 teachers tend to stay the same because no one else wants that gig (next year will be my 7th year in year 6).

cheminotte · 19/06/2016 21:56

The head at dc school likes to change things every few years but for the second year, the two male teachers (out of 7 - 1 form entry) are teaching y5 and y6. Why do the men seem to get given / prefer the upper ks2?

Fairuza · 19/06/2016 21:58

kitchenunit - not in the EYFS.

CharleyDavidson · 19/06/2016 22:05

Our male teachers are desperate to get out of y6. Because of the workload and pressure.

TheTroubleWithAngels · 19/06/2016 22:06

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steppemum · 19/06/2016 22:14

we have just appointed a new teacher in KS1 - year 1 in sept.
He is a man.
We had a PGCE student in Year 2 this year - a man

who is doing the everyday sexism??

madamginger · 19/06/2016 22:31

My ds1 in yr 2 has a male teacher, he's just been promoted to DH and is only in class part time now, but DS has thrived under him.
My children's school seem to move the teachers every year, except EYFS as that class has a specialist teacher who has degree in early years.
DD has had the same teacher for year 3 and 4, he's not moving with them to year 5 which is a pity as he is such a lovely teacher but it is time for a change.
My sister is a yr2 teacher and she has been yr2 since she qualified 10 years ago. It's her favourite class and she doesn't want to move year groups.

CharleyDavidson · 19/06/2016 22:35

When I first met DD2's teacher (as a student teacher in her class) 20 years ago, she was in year 6 and had been for a couple of years. She's still in y6 and, apart from a year off to have her own DC, she's been in y6 all along.

CremeEggThief · 19/06/2016 22:36

The only circumstances I would consider teaching in the same school again is part-time Nursery, Reception or Year 1. Nothing else. As a supply teacher, I very, very rarely do KS2; the occasional afternoon and that's my limit.

IoraRua · 19/06/2016 22:37

Here in Ireland it's fairly common to change classes, though we don't really have the strict demarcation into eyfs, ks1 and 2. I much prefer that, it would drive me cracked having the same every year. I like a new challenge now and again and the opportunity to teach an entirely different level.

steppemum · 19/06/2016 22:53

I think our head tries to leave teachers in one year group for 2-3 years. I know she does this especially with NQTs, leaves them in same year group for the next year.
But often there is movement due to staff leaving etc.
eg, we have maternity leave in year 4 and a member of staff leaving in year 1, and a bulge extra class moving up through school. So, how the staff are jiggled round depends on who they appoint. Then there is some juggling round of teachers to make it all fit.
Teacher preference is taken into account, as it SATs experience, which is why our year 2 and 6 teachers tend to be more settled.

When I was teaching, I enjoyed the challenge of different year groups, but my favourite was year 3 or 4. I went from 4 to year 1 and it was quite a shock to realise that my whole sense of humour had to change as the littler ones didn't get my jokes etc.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 20/06/2016 00:56

Not in KS1 either Fairuza. There are very few specified topics in the KS1 curriculum.

It's really only the science ones and I think a lot of that could fit into any number of topics, especially in year 1.

mrz · 20/06/2016 06:37

Thetroublewithangels Ive managed not to repeat anything for over twenty years so it's obviously not a huge problem.

mrz · 20/06/2016 06:44

So when you move year groups kitchenaid you don't have to plan from scratch?
What is the difference?
Plan for children's interests not for your convenience ...it's never dull.

Arkwright · 20/06/2016 07:50

Our school has a shuffle every year. The reception and year 6 tend to stay where they are unless someone leaves. It's two form entry so 14 class teachers plus extras.

user789653241 · 20/06/2016 11:58

I think my ds's school is similar to Arkwright's school.
Very very experienced reception teacher he had has been reception teacher for years. She was a real gem, and my ds's and my school experience might had been completely different if she wasn't his first teacher. It was great to have teacher who has seen and know all about anything and everything.

ReallyTired · 20/06/2016 12:18

Dd has had different male teachers for both year 1 and year 2. Next year she will have the same male teacher for year 3. I have to admit that I am hoping she has a female teacher for year 4 so she has a bit of balance. However many boys never experience a male teacher so maybe I am bring irrational. It would not be the end of the world if dd never had a female teacher, but very unusual. It's sexist to suggest that men can't be caring. Good teachers come in all shapes, colours, sizes and can be either male or female.

I think it's good for teachers to have experience of all age groups. A person with lots of experience in foundation can help the SEN child in year 6 to learn to read. Conversely the teacher with lots of key stage 2 experience will be better at stretching the gifted.

BackforGood · 20/06/2016 12:24

Not more common in KS2 than KS1 / Foundation - just depends on the HT / Management's philosophy, combined with the staff they have available and the challenges they face.
Another one here who feels teachers should move every two or three years, for their own professional development, to pre-empt complacency, and to get an understanding of how other year groups work. It's also good for whole team work as a staff, and helps prevent the 'them and us' feeling you get n a lot of schools. IMVHO, you are a much better Yr4 teacher if you've taught in Yr6; much better Reception teacher if you've taught in Yr1 etc.

TheTroubleWithAngels · 20/06/2016 18:20

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mrz · 20/06/2016 18:49

what's shortsighted about planning for individuals rather than churning out generic lessons just because you have them handy?

ShelaghTurner · 20/06/2016 18:52

DD1's yr1 teacher moved up with her into yr2 but had the other class. She moved up again this year to yr3 and had dd1's class again. They've loved it and are really sad to be leaving her behind. Unless of course she fancies yr4 Grin

TheTroubleWithAngels · 20/06/2016 18:53

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roundtable · 20/06/2016 18:57

On a tangent here, but I was thinking about future year 6 teachers.

Are there going to be many schools in the next few years that would be happy for students to take their year 6 classes?

I can see some schools being reluctant to do so which is a shame.

kitchenunit · 20/06/2016 19:07

I find it surprising that in 20 years mrz hasn't taught one lesson where s/he has thought "ooh that worked well, I'll do that again next year"....

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 20/06/2016 19:24

Doesn't it depend on how you teach? I think teaching through cross curricular topics based on children's interests is different to subject based or set topics per year.

So a series of lessons on measures as part of a topic on Alice in Wonderland might work well, but the exact same series of lessons might be a bit odd in the middle of a topic on polar regions.