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Parental Bullying

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user1465394149 · 08/06/2016 15:13

check this out, sent today from a fellow parent............................

Dear all (friends, acquaintances and others),

It’s with genuine sadness that I have to tell you all that we’re leaving the school and moving away at the end of this term.

We’ve made some great friends, had really good times and we’ve grown very fond of many of you. Our son has also made some lovely little chums amongst your children.

It will be sad to not see you as much in the future but we’ll try our best.

I myself feel gutted about this so let me tell you all the reason for us leaving if you don’t already know:

Say that if one of our kids had been subjected to intimidation in the playground by a group of other children – the passive-aggressive finger-pointing/giggling/staring variety of intimidation – we’d go and see the Head, wouldn’t we? (Especially if this behaviour were continual.)

We’d expect the Head to tell that group of children that they were bullying our little one and the Head would stop it. And the Head would also extract the ringleader and mete out a suitable punishment.

And we’d all agree that this would be right because – as we all know – bullying and intimidation are wrong. It’s unfair and it’s cowardly. (The group around the ringleader are the biggest cowards of all, in a way, because they fear that they themselves will be the next victim if they don’t join in.)

So if this had happened to one of our kids we’d quite rightly be furious.

But us moving away has nothing to do with our child. He has not been bullied and the school has done nothing wrong.

If fact he loves the school and he loves his friends. He doesn’t want to leave. But we don’t have a choice. Not really.

Because when you witness - as I have first-hand – a playground containing a cackling, finger-pointing, staring group of half a dozen supposedly mature, well-educated women performing this classic tactic of passive-aggressive intimidation of another woman – my wife in this case – then it’s jaw-dropping. Unbelievable. Not what you’d expect at all from such people.

And when your wife makes friends who then become too scared to remain friends because of that group of women, what would you make of that?

And when you see the occasional woman in the playground, neither of you have ever met before, look at your wife in an angry way and shake her head for no obvious reason, how would that make you feel?

This has been happening for well over a year now, growing rather than fading away, and it is bound to end very badly for someone if it isn’t stopped.

But there is no Head to appeal to. It’s not the school’s business.

No crime can be proved (slander is notoriously hard to prosecute but we came close) so there will be no justice for us in the short term. The verbal spread of lies and rumours is difficult to stop.

So – you know what – life’s too short. I can’t stomach seeing my wife in bits and losing sleep over all of this anymore so I’ve made this decision to leave.

We’re sorry to our friends. We feel we’ve let you down in a way but let’s remain friends as much as we can.

The rest of this note is not addressed to our friends and acquaintances but to those of you - and of course you know who you are because everybody else does – whose actions and gossip-mongering have led us to this point:

Firstly…..congratulations! You’ve won! You should be very, very proud.

Pat yourselves on the back.

You’ve managed to run us out of town (us dastardly criminals us) for the crime of……well…...nothing.

I don’t know what we’ve done or what we’ve said to hurt you this much. Actually we’ve done some of you favours. We’ve helped you when you needed help. We didn’t ask for anything in return. (We were never going to.)

Either of us would apologise to you if we’ve caused you harm or offence but that’s not it, is it?

I know what it really is. Everyone reading this knows what it really is. You know what it really is…..

It’s the fact that we exist. It’s that green-eyed monster. (Bless him.)

Go on, admit it.

You’ve won now, so what harm could it do? Shout it from the roof-tops. The green-eyed monster has won!

One of you (it’s irrelevant to name her but you’ll discover what sort of person she really is, eventually, since my wife is just another in a long line of her targets) has encouraged that monster – lying dormant inside each of you – to incorporate. But you let her do that. She might be the ringleader but you joined in and you enjoyed it.

And do you know; you’re famous as well?

Your little group has earned itself the nickname “the Nasties” and this has nothing to do with us and nothing to do with anyone in this school year. I’m sure you already know this but…..everybody knows what you’re doing.

That’s right. Everybody knows who you are and what you’ve been doing. That playground and Waitrose is filled with other parents watching and listening and you’re not exactly being secret-agent-covert about your behaviour, are you? They’ve nicknamed you.

Not only that, one of you has in fact been telling us the kinds of things being said by the rest of you. Charming stuff, it has to be said. I am often fascinated and disappointed by how infantile grown-ups can be.

Perhaps there will be consequences for you after all and we’ll receive some kind of justice? Who knows? I can only hope.

For Mummy and me this move is a modest inconvenience. That’s all, really. A move to another town.

But for those of you that have any sliver of decency in you, please remember something for me?

Perhaps, before you go to sleep tonight, imagine how the face of a smiling, innocent, slightly-sensitive five year old boy crumples and collapses and his eyes glisten when Daddy tells him that his adorable boy – who has done nothing wrong at all - has to move away and leave his friends.

And I can’t even give him the honest reason why, so I’ve had to lie to him.

So I despise you for making me do that.

And you’ve hurt my wife. Repeatedly. On purpose. I will not forget that and I will not forgive you.

You are shameless bullies and brazen hypocrites and I sincerely hope that your own children, for whom I wish long and happy lives, turn out much, much better than you and eventually learn your true nature. You do not deserve them and they definitely deserve better than you.

Since you have inconvenienced me, I am happy to inconvenience you. Please give your husbands or partners a copy of this note and give them the heads-up. I will speak to them each in turn to let them know what’s happened. So go on, give them your side of the story first.

Also, now it’s all out in the open, don’t try to approach me or my wife during the remainder of our time here. Don’t try to explain. Don’t try to apologise. Don’t ask me if this bit of the note is aimed at you: if you have to ask then you already know.

Just leave us alone as we will you. You’ve won now, so sod off.

Our leaving probably won’t stop you now turning your attention to someone else but perhaps the realisation of what many others now think of you might.

And please, please do not come to our son’s party. Your kids and your husbands are welcome but our generosity no longer extends to you and I will turn you away. Save us all the embarrassment.

OP posts:
LC01 · 08/06/2016 18:15

Wow, I say good on him for sending this. I hope they can be happy somewhere else.

titchy · 08/06/2016 18:17

But is it true? Or has she just told her dh that cos she needed to move before everyone found out about her affair with the Head? Grin

purplebud · 08/06/2016 18:18

Surely very strange. It's normal to hope you make friends with other mums, but if you don't then when would you see them? Five minutes at the end of the day? Is it really such an issue?

Muskey · 08/06/2016 18:20

I think it's very brave but really sad that it had to be done. TBH this is exactly how people behaved in my dd primary school

PortiaCastis · 08/06/2016 18:21

FFS Hmm

SomedayMyPrinceWillCome · 08/06/2016 18:22

Very sad
Very long letter

wrapsuperstar · 08/06/2016 18:23

What an exhausting read. Would've had a great deal more impact if he could self-edit. Poor kid.

SomedayMyPrinceWillCome · 08/06/2016 18:23

Sorry, that was meant to be:
Very sad it needed to be written
Very long letter

purplebud · 08/06/2016 18:24

It's a reception parent 'slightly sensitive five- year old boy'

LunaLoveg00d · 08/06/2016 18:25

I know someone just like the person who wrote the letter to the OP.

They moved into the area last summer and the children started last August, across the road from a friend of mine (who is lovely, welcoming and as far from a bully as you can imagine). Within a week of starting school, the mother was in school complaining about something trivial. Two weeks later, she was picking fights with parents on Facebook about something equally trivial. I start to hear from my friend that she is finding school very "difficult", that the parents are "cliquey" and "shoot her daggers" every morning. My friend tells her she's imagining it and to get a grip of herself. Situation deteriorates. Mum refuses to take child to school. Dad start doing school run instead. Dad convinced that everyone is giving him funny looks and starts deliberately arriving at school 30 minutes before the bell so he can run away before seeing anyone. By Christmas, the pair of them have convinced them selves that the rest of the school year are "out to get them". My friend gives up trying to explain to them that they're paranoid. By February, they've removed their child from school - where he was HAPPY AND SETTLED - and sent him to another one.

I'm not disputing that there was certainly some gossiping and chatter about the mum initially - the catfight on the school's facebook page was the most interesting thing that's happened on there for ever. It was sort of like a car crash you couldn't help watching. So there was lots of hushed "that's Mum X who was fighting with Mum Y on Facebook... I know... wasn't it awful..." type stuff. But this paranoid pair built it up into something much bigger than it needed to be. I have later found out that they moved to our school from another school a few miles away - again because the parents were rude and unfriendly. Apparently.

I'm not saying it doesn't go on, but in my many years of taking kids to school I've never witnessed it myself and I do believe that in many cases it's 90% down to the perception of the "victim".

And the sender of that letter is clearly bonkers.

user789653241 · 08/06/2016 18:42

I've never experienced anything like this myself, but if it's true, why does OP want to post on MN? That's my biggest question.
If OP is the wife or husband, I can sort of understand. They may want similar rage from fellow parents for what they experienced. If the OP is the bully, she wants to humiliate them even more by exposing this and get reaction she wants. But If the OP is innocent by stander who knew about the situation, if it was me, I wouldn't want to post this because I would feel too guilty for not doing anything to help.

BertrandRussell · 08/06/2016 18:50

I just find it baffling- this idea that "school gate mums" are somehow a different species. They are like any other group- lots of different types- some you like, some you don't. And any of us with a child at school is a "school gate mum". Except on here we're not. Somehow we're better than them and take a pride in "not getting involved" As if being stand offish and unfriendly is somehow a virtue.....

BertrandRussell · 08/06/2016 18:50

Oh and accusations of jealousy are always a red flag.......

LunaLoveg00d · 08/06/2016 18:53

OP is probably just completely bemused and wondering if she's been living in a parallel universe all year because she doesn't recognise any of the accusations in the letter.

NeverbuytheDailyMail · 08/06/2016 19:02

I suppose it depends on the kind of community the school is in. If it's a city the parents should really be able to melt into the background, but in a village or even a small town the school parents are the same people you see in the shops, at every after school activity, weekend footie/hockey match and birthday parties. I can imagine how small town gossip and bullying behaviour could make someone unwell. And surely a young child will cope better with being moved very early in his school career, than with a seriously unhappy mum and dad?

Yokohamajojo · 09/06/2016 13:38

Nah don't buy it! I am sure that there are horrible mums and cliques but as it said in the letter they do seem to have some friends so why not just ignore and stick to the ones you like?

Some days I am not in the mood for chit chat and I can still stand by the gate and pick up the kids without having to even look thus not notice if anyone are looking at me funny

Letter is far too long to be effective anyway so the intended recipients won't read to the end probably

ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 09/06/2016 13:51

I'm with Luna.

It's one of those "your child is a monster, mine is lively" things innit? Only from the grown ups.

I wonder if this is the same OP who last week had a school playground fallout because apparently random mothers used to tell her how much bonus their City husbands received? another pile of steaming horseshit

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 09/06/2016 13:51

If this situation is as it's described in the OP, then I am very sorry for the OP's wife. Having been the victim of this sort of thing in school (as a teenager) - the whispering, the exclusion, as well as overt name calling - I know how damaging and hurtful it can be.

I can only wish that someone had stood up for me the way this person is standing up for their wife.

Bullies exist everywhere. Cliques of bullies exist too. And people who are too scared of the bully/the clique of bullies to befriend their victim exist. There is no reason why this situation can't be true - I hope it's not, because if it's not true, this hurt and pain hasn't happened, hasn't been inflicted on the victim.

And even if this particular scenario is all or partly fiction, what it's describing exists in workplaces, schools, communities, groups all over the world - which means that even if this particular victim is made up, there are plenty of real-life victims, suffering as this letter describes. That is sad.

ThenLaterWhenItGotDark · 09/06/2016 14:12

But with no actual examples of how the letter writer's wife has been bullied? Despite the bleeding letter running into a zillion paragraphs? There's just a spewing out of words that say precisely nothing.

Nah, this is one of those cringey letters the Guardian gives you £35 for.

And it dimishes real bullying, of the kind many children, teenagers and adults go through.

Tiggeryoubastard · 09/06/2016 14:16

Could only stomach half of that. Whoever (Hmm) wrote that is a complete knob. And very self obsessed.

TheRollingCrone · 09/06/2016 18:24

The Guardian gives you £35? Now I am fucking [shocked]

MiaowTheCat · 11/06/2016 12:30

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prettybird · 11/06/2016 13:51

To whoever it was that said the OP is probably bemused and doesn't recognise anything that was said in the letter with the implication that it probably wasn't true , she does actually say in a subsequent post (only a couple after her OP) that,

"he's right though, they have been ghastly"

MariaSklodowska · 11/06/2016 13:58

There used to be a clique of nasty mums in my kids school, that would hang about in the playground shelters being bitchy....
Ignoring them really was the best thing.

MariaSklodowska · 11/06/2016 14:01

we used to call the shelters 'the bus stops'...Grin

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