What information do we get from the KS1 SAT?

[lesshaste]

For KS1, do we only get information about which of the 3 levels your child is in? These are something like below average, average and above average but in government speak. I asked the school teacher and they said that we would hear in mid-July and this is all we would get. This seems a very coarse measure if true.

There are no levels you will simply be told whether your child has met the expected standard or not.

mrz Is it really just a yes/no answer? That's hardly any information at all!

And what is this mystical standard?

nilbyname I think the current officials terms are:

Working towards the expected standard
Working at the extended standard
Working at greater depth

There is no explanation of what "expected standard" means as far I know.

Yes - this elusive 'standard'! It's bonkers!

Here are the standards:

www.gov.uk/government/publications/interim-frameworks-for-teacher-assessment-at-the-end-of-key-stage-1

Thanks Feenie

Thank you

Do the teachers get the raw scores?

Yes - we mark them! At the movement, they are just one part of the overall assessment, and we're not required to report them. However, Nicky wants the assessment changed to proper exams that are externally marked, like Y6.

Moment - stupid kindle.

Feenie Of course! :) I am not sure how to interpret "we're not required to report them" though. Does this mean that most teachers/schools won't want to tell the parents for some reason? Why keep it a secret?

Also, I wonder why it is Nicky but not Michael?

feenie is correct that most schools will use the results to as just part of their overall assessment however as a parent they cannot refuse to give you the actual results if requested in writing by the parent.

Only in that we are required to share anything in writing regarding your child. But it's not a statutory requirement to report it and doesn't have the same degree of importance as statutory reporting.

Yet.

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/518970/2016_KS1_Assessment_and_reporting_arrangements__ARA__April_PDFA.pdf

Page 15, paragraph 6.4 if this helps lessjaste

Because, lesshaste, they are just one piece in the huge jigsaw that builds up a picture of your child's assessment! Reporting the test results as well wood convey the message that they are more important than any other piece of evidence (which is what the dfe would really like, for that result to be the be all and end all, like pre-2005. No leeway for an upset 6 year old, no day to day evidence included at all. Just a 45 minute snapshot, like the bad old days.)

Put it this way, would you want to see all the other bits of evidence too?.The photos, videos, books, notes, jottings, records, post its? They're all equally as important.

Would, would, would. Ffs

Singlemum1985 That is brilliantly definitive, thank you!

Feenie Although I think I see your point, it seems over paternalistic. As the parent, I would like to know the scores my children get in every test they do at school no matter how big or small. I find it odd that the school can decide what information about my own child I can cope with.

They don't. The government do. They set the legislation.

Feenie Sorry I was referring to your answer starting"Because, lesshaste, they are just one piece in the huge jigsaw[...]". As far as I can tell the government just sets the minimum a school is required to report.

They set out what they legally require schools to do, and we have to do that, it's statutory. I explained to you the nature of KS1 assessment (again, set by the dfe) and why that particular piece of information is therefore no.more important than any other.

If you don't like it, I suggest you a) ask to see the test scores and b) write to Nicky Morgan who, I imagine, will be delighted since it will all be grist to her stupid, officious, test-obsessed mill.

Feenie I feel we may be at cross purposes so thank you again for the helpful information you provided.

I still don't understand why a school would feel it would only do something obvious and simple (and potentially helpful) like reporting test scores to parents if it was legally required to. Perhaps I have the wrong picture of how schools work of course.

If parents want the test results they can have them but they aren't reported to the government or the LEA and its teacher assessment based on wirk produced over the year against the standards that is officially reported (to parents, DfE and LEA)

Because, since in Y2 the scores are as important as any other piece of evidence we use, if we report the scores we might as well give you all the rest of it too. You didn't answer my question about whether you wanted it all?