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What information do we get from the KS1 SAT?

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lesshaste · 26/05/2016 17:21

For KS1, do we only get information about which of the 3 levels your child is in? These are something like below average, average and above average but in government speak. I asked the school teacher and they said that we would hear in mid-July and this is all we would get. This seems a very coarse measure if true.

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Singlemum1985 · 26/05/2016 20:53

lesshaste I'm with you on this one! Of course I want all the other pieces of the jigsaw too (feenie) but if my DS is sitting an exam or test or even spelling test for that matter (FYI I don't even get to know these without a fight) I want to know the score! I cannot see from any perspective why it is a problem and why they aren't reported without express request of the parent!

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lesshaste · 26/05/2016 20:55

Feenie As I said I think I understand where you are coming from.

In reply to your question, it's a matter of practicality isn't it? Anything about my child that I can easily be told about, I am grateful to hear. I think your point was that there is all sort of information that is impractical to impart to all parents.

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lesshaste · 26/05/2016 20:59

Thank you Singlemum1985!

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Hulababy · 26/05/2016 21:03

As the parent, I would like to know the scores my children get in every test they do at school no matter how big or small.

But you do realise that children are being assessed, formally and informally constantly throughout the year by the teacher? Would you really want to have a huge long list of every single assessment did over the year? Because, the Y2 SATs mark is no more important than the other marking teachers do throughout the year.

Singlemum1985 · 26/05/2016 21:12

I don't want the results of every assessment. I do want the results of exams/tests sat and completed independently by my child. There is a difference.

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 26/05/2016 21:13

That's what parents evening is for. A general round up of how your child is doing. That's it, really, at KS1 level. It gets more complicated as they get older.

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lesshaste · 26/05/2016 21:15

Hulababy I don't want anything eccentric or unusual :) My children sometimes do tests at school, spelling or times tables etc. They typically come home with a sheet saying their score and we discuss it or otherwise they just tell me what they got. I get the feeling that some schools are trying to especially to hide the KS1 SATs scores in a way they don't hide the scores for all the other tests they do at school. I can only assume this is for political reasons which, to be honest, annoys me.

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Feenie · 26/05/2016 21:18

There isn't a difference. And if you think there is, you're attaching an importance to tests that they just don't have and misunderstanding their role in KS1 assessment.

Feenie · 26/05/2016 21:21

The statutory requirement is there for all schools. Unfortunately, some schools also attach an over-importance to tests because they lack confidence in teacher assessment.

Singlemum1985 · 26/05/2016 21:42

😁 We are never going to agree on this but what I will say regardless of their relevance or irrelevance, as a parent I have the right to know the Results if I so choose.

Feenie · 26/05/2016 21:52

I don't think anyone said that you didn't - quite the opposite, in fact.

Singlemum1985 · 26/05/2016 21:57

I apologise, I obviously misunderstood.

Feenie · 26/05/2016 22:10

Okay. I was just explaining why the absence of test scores isn't some kind of conspiracy to keep parents in the dark, obviously not very well. Even the dfe don't want them!

mrz · 26/05/2016 22:12

They aren't hiding the test results they just don't consider them any more important (less so if anything as its simply a single snapshot ) than the information you say you don't want.

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lesshaste · 27/05/2016 06:47

Feenie We clearly aren't going to agree but then that is what MN is for :)

It frankly stretches credibility to claim that the KS1 SATs scores are less significant than a weekly spelling test say. However in the latter case the school has no problem routinely telling me the scores. In any case, I do find it utterly bizarre that school teachers would routinely choose not to report the results of national tests to parents. I understood your political stance and respect it but in the end the parents are the people who care for their children and its not the school's business to allow their own political views to control what they do and do not tell parents.

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lesshaste · 27/05/2016 06:50

Feenie "There isn't a difference." I didn't quite get that. What two things are the same that I suggested might be different? If it is spelling tests and KS1 SATs then yes I would like to know the scores for both. The school tells me the former routinely.

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mrz · 27/05/2016 07:00

You seem to be under a total misconception about use/purpose of the KS1 tests ... They are used as a single piece of evidence (just as the scores of a spelling test or the number of correct answers in today's maths lesson or the quality of the poem are evidence) the DfE don't want the results ...the LEA don't want the results and most parents don't want the results but teachers are happy to supply them if parents are interested.

Feenie · 27/05/2016 07:01

That was in reply to singlemum.

i do find it utterly bizarre that school teachers would routinely choose not to report the results of national tests to parents. I understood your political stance and respect it but in the end the parents are the people who care for their children and its not the school's business to allow their own political views to control what they do and do not tell parents.

I think I give up To continue to insist that it's a choice, that teachers and schools are lacking and do the bare minimum, that it's tied up with political views, after everything that has been explained to you, is absolutely nonsensical. Schools have to follow statutory legislation - what has been described to you us a legal requirement.

Several schools are being moderated this year, as always. If they tried to insist the test scores had more weight than any other piece of evidence, they would be in very hot water - and it wouldn't be because of the political views of the moderator, it would be because they had completely misunderstood how KS1 works. As have you.

mrz · 27/05/2016 07:13

If I told a parent their child had scored 17 on paper 1 and 11 on paper 2 I'm not sure what they would tell them ...

Feenie · 27/05/2016 07:35

'Political views'

Thelyingbitchandthewardrobe · 27/05/2016 15:17

Feenie I get what your saying, but I still want to know. Please let me explain why.

My DS1 has just done his form 2 SATS. On his report card at Christmas, and in fact all his reports in form 1 he was 'working above the expected level'. He comes across as a really clever little boy.
Then in February, I came across sample sat papers on the Internet. I asked him to answer some of the maths problem solving page. He couldn't answer a single question. I'm not joking - not one question!

His teacher has really helped him in a lot of areas regarding his preference to talk rather than work and his general attitude. I am pleased with the year he has had at school. I am pleased with how his teacher has worked.

BUT if my child cannot even answer one question on a paper that is supposed to determine where he sits in the scheme of things I want to know!

I have no plans to blame the teacher - I am one myself and I am aware that my DS's love of chatting will have meant he has missed this info. I am also aware that a parent who wants to help is better than a parent in the dark.

Ellle · 27/05/2016 16:29

Being told the score alone (e.g. scored 17 on paper 1 and 11 on paper 2) doesn't tell much unless I know how many questions there were, what was the maximum of points that could have been scored, and what was the the score an average child that meets expectations should have got.

Ideally, as the KS1 papers are just another piece of evidence no more important than the weekly spelling tests, or times tables tests, etc, then the whole paper or a copy of it could be given to the parents. I routinely get the spelling tests and the times tables tests too. I can see if there were any mistakes or not and where.

I also get the whole KS1 being just a snap of a moment and not the whole picture. Still, they are interesting because I can see how my child performs under exam conditions compared to how he usually is and what I know he is capable to do.

It is good to know that as a parent I can request to see the results if they are not included with the end of year report.

user789653241 · 27/05/2016 17:03

I totally agree with Ellle. My ds took sats last year, and if I knew we could have been able to see the paper, I would have asked them.
They sent home some practice test he has done at school earlier in the year, and I could easily see his weak points.( silly calculation mistakes and not checking , not neat enough writing etc.) And they done timed and not timed practice test so it was very clear he needed to be a lot faster, he couldn't finish everything in timed test.
It's difficult to see how your dc does on formal test at home. But it's quite important part of their school work, so it's better for parents to know, and so maybe we can help improve at home.

MrsKCastle · 27/05/2016 17:21

Like mrz, I don't think the test results will tell you much unless you know or find out a lot about the format of the tests.

It's much more informative to hear 'x is really confident on fractions, multiplication and division but needs to work on telling the time' which is the kind of thing most schools will say in the report.

I don't have a problem with telling parents the test results if they want to know, I just don't think they're particularly helpful.

user789653241 · 27/05/2016 17:27

As a parents, I don't want to know the score or results. I want to know what kind of question he makes mistakes, or doesn't get full marks, for whatever reason.

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