Crouch End Haringey primary school shortage and admissions review by council

[JKemp]

Apologies for the dull, geeky subject but it's pretty critical to us as a local family.

Particularly interested in the views of those living in Crouch End with personal experience of the primary school admission system. I'm local with a young child and am amazed that a problem this serious has persisted for so long.

The 2015 admissions data has just been released and for several schools the majority of places have gone to siblings (a number of whom don't live in the area), with last child offered distances shrinking again, particularly for Weston Park and Coleridge.

I would appreciate constructive ideas about how to fix the system. Particularly to feed into the council consultation, which closes in a few weeks: www.haringey.gov.uk/children-and-families/schools-and-education/school-admissions/admission-arrangements/consultation-school-admission-arrangements-201617.

The proposal by the council wouldn't appear to make any impact until about 2020, which is way too long and totally ignores the plight of the local community in the interim, who pay local council tax and require school places this and next year.

Transitional arrangements need to be developed as a priority.

Gaming the system has been long reported (some links below) - by official data most of the children should live within c5mins walking distance of most schools, which begs the question why do so many travel in by bus and car?

Local short term lettings of 'buy the right address temporarily before moving out again' is a buoyant business, which has been tackled in several areas but not sufficiently in Crouch End/ Haringey Council area. Perhaps more rigorous enforcement could be an answer? I think that in Hackney, a short term let address doesn't count if you still own your main home.

In any case, the official council line is that they would like to support vibrant local communities, which is great. Hopefully the solution to be adopted early next year will also deal with the immediate challenge as opposed to a partial fix over the medium term.

Links:
www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/revealed-the-legal-loophole-letting-pushy-parents-rent-the-best-state-school-places-8878941.html

www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/education/haringey_crack_down_on_families_who_move_home_after_secure_school_place_1_4262636

www.theguardian.com/education/2014/apr/11/primary-school-places-offer-day

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/primary/2365792-Primary-school-place-shortage-in-Crouch-End-September-2015?trending=1

[schoolmeplease]

As someone pointed out on the other thread, one major problem is local authorities being responsible for providing places, but not controlling the opening of new schools! That's ridiculous.
And we should ALL stop talking about whether a school is "under the control of the LA" and start talking about whether the school "has the support of the LA". I've been a governor and chair of curriculum and attainment at an LA primary for years (NC just in case!) and I have NEVER seen the council be anything but supportive: governor services, safeguarding, support for hiring, template policies, you name it - we don't have to reinvent the wheel on all this, and no one ever tries to control us or any policy or teaching in the school - they support the school.
Let councils open schools. Fund schools. Drop the ideological "private sector is better" agenda. But certainly don't make a LA responsible for something over which it has very little control. With little funding.

[nlondondad]

schoolme,

I think it has taken up until now for people to start to grasp the significance of Councils having a legal duty to provide places, while no longer having the power to open new schools.

Frankly, I think the problem is that the situation is so daft, (and ideologically driven) that people simply could not believe it is the case.

[Sandyblack]

Our oldest is in a great primary school in the area but I have also found out I am expecting twins, which creates a real problem. We need a bigger house but will find it hard to buy in the exact same area in our price range. We are torn between staying put in a tiny house or moving and having to resettle somewhere else at a difficult time for our son, and goodness knows how he would get into a new school elsewhere if not in reception. So we are basically stuck in a two bed house with too many kids for the next four years. These rule changes would basically make it impossible to move.

[JKemp]

Congratulations! My personal view, which I put into my consultation response, was that half a mile would be too tough for many and that a mile would be fairer as well as special provisions for those really caught in cold economic waters (a mile radius opens up dramatically more potential to find an affordable place). That said, I live within spitting distance of a school and am unlikely to secure a space because the majority of places now go to siblings, which has created gamesmanship around local lettings. People like you need to be protected but there is need for balance in my opinion.

[LifeIsNeverFair]

sandyblack So I take it that you would have stayed in your current house had you not been expecting twins? Or was a move due to a sibling planned anyway?

In any case, whilst the proposal didn't go through, I understand that at least one primary school has abolished the sibling priority. That will stop the game playing. Around DC's school there are so many small flats/houses that change owners/tenants every 2-3 years. And for some reason the new owners/tenants older child is normally 2.5-3yrs old... Changing School is not something horrible and most children deal with changes brilliantly if the parents support them. Children make friends so easily.

It's ludicrous when you have a situation where a fair amount of children are being driven to school due to game playing, despite the catchment area being 0.3-0.4 miles and many children within 10-15 minutes walk being denied a place. I don't understand why it's better that local children suffer.

[What1984]

Interestingly, although its a couple of days after Offer Day I have not seen any postings here from people expressing concern about the place they have been offered in the Crouch End area, or indeed saying they do not have a place in the area at all.

Does this means things have improved this year?

[LifeIsNeverFair]

Just looking at the official numbers it looks better in general this year. I think last year was particularly bad. But the situation in the area is getting silly and there are changes to be put in place. 🙌

[Garriguette]

Talking of official numbers- Does anyone know when Islington or Haringey publish their primary offer day stats?

[Rosebud05]

I'm interested to know this too. I don't think they officially get published until the admissions booklet for next year, so 1st September, but if anyone could upload a photo of the letter that comes with their reception offer which outlines the number of applicants/number of siblings/distance offers etc for Haringey I'd be grateful .

[JusticeforKatherina]

Joining in having followed this thread with interest.

Does this help?

I know of at least one mistake on this (which has already been rectified). Anecdotally, from a very, very small sample size of local parents that I have spoken too, there appears to be more flexibility with places this year. I am, however, a bit further up the Hill in Haringey than the schools referred to earlier in this discussion so that may not be true for all the borough.

[Rosebud05]

Thanks. Yes. it's interesting how things vary so much year to year, largely sibling dependent I guess.

[cgehansen]

The furthest distances offered are higher this year than last so that's probably meant no 'black holes'. Last years' reception place shortage will move on to secondary transfer. Based on the reception admissions trend the last distance offered for Highgate Wood in 5 years time will be around 0.4 of a mile.

[HowardsEnd]

My children go to a v sought-after C of E school, with (now, years after we first applied) a teeny admissions radius. There was a disastrous year (3/4 years back) when loads of siblings didn't get in as a result of 'pew-jumping'; as a result the admissions criteria were massively tightened and changed so that

• sibling priority only applies if you live less than 0.5 miles away, in which case it trumps church
  
• church attendance requirement increased four-fold (was 1/month for 1 yr, changed to 2/month for 2 years)
  

BOTH of these changes were brought in with very little notice, so that for a year it was impossible for parents to clock up the required attendance (a church register was introduced), as the clock had already started ticking before the guidelines had changed.
So I think that changes CAN be made very speedily: there WILL be pain (people's plans get disrupted) - but there's pain already, just for others.

[Rosebud05]

It's easier to change the admission criteria for a single church school Howards. Much less easy for a whole borough worth of schools - see the posts above re Haringey's recent consultation.

[HowardsEnd]

Indeed - but I think they COULD do it if they wanted to.

[Rosebud05]

Indeed they could, but some of the reasons for not doing it ie that it unfairly disadvantages families living in temporary accommodation (who are already disadvantaged in multiple ways) are very valid.

[Garriguette]

Thanks for uploading Justice

[KielyKiely]

What was the mistake Justice?

[JusticeforKatherina]

Kiely it was a very obvious misclassification of a child under the admissions criteria. Forgive me for not wanting to give further details. I mentioned it to suggest the admissions stats are only correct as the local authority sees it for a very short period of time.

On the point of black holes, I live in what has previously been one of those areas but this year have been offered a school on distance criteria my child would have had no chance of getting in during the previous 3-4 years. I know of a few other families in a similar position. So I agree with the smaller/fewer black holes observation for this year as it affects my immediate area and the longer distance cut off for my local school reflects that.

But there are many other factors to consider so I think it's impossible to derive any trend from these stats alone.

[Garriguette]

Hmm we've had no hard copy letter from Haringey yet. Just saw our offer on the admissions site, which doesn't seem to offer this useful info. I am interested to know if the last distances offered have changed at all from last year, in which case I will give a bit more or less credence to being on the waiting list for some schools..

[starpatch]

There is a Haringey parent on another thread who has been allocated a school 2.6 miles away

[Plainflour]

Which thread is that please starpatch?

[starpatch]

The crowland school one