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School talking about possibility of moving 4yr old from Reception to Nursery

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ShadowSlipping · 24/09/2015 18:33

NC for this in case I out myself.

My 4 yr old has just started Reception. He's an August baby and was 6 weeks early, so if he'd been born at term, he'd have been in the next academic year.

His new school has an attached school nursery that he didn't attend, as we were hoping that he'd get a place at our local school (which doesn't have a school nursery). DS instead stayed at a local private nursery which he'd been at a few days a week since he was a baby. Our local school was oversubscribed, and DS didn't get a place, so this didn't work out.

Things have not been going smoothly at his new school. We got called into a meeting with his class teacher and the head teacher.
Firstly, he's behind the other children academically. The main thing here is that most of his classmates attended the school nursery, and they have all been taught phonics in nursery, so are ready for the next steps in learning to read. DS's nursery don't teach phonics - they told me that if a child asks to learn, they'll help, but otherwise, they don't teach them as the school's do this in reception anyway. So DS is new to phonics and struggling to catch up with the others.
Secondly, his behaviour isn't great, he's struggling to sit still and pay attention during group work. I suspect this is partly down to him being behind the other kids, as they say he's better when being taught one to one. And also, he still wants to just play a lot of the time, so I think part of the problem is his relative immaturity. The teachers also think part of the problem is DS adjusting to the new environment and more structured routines.
He's also very tired when he gets home from school and it's been a struggle getting him to focus on his homework.

The teachers suggested possibly moving him down into the school nursery class (and then on into Reception in the next academic year and so on) might be in DS's best interests. But they want to keep DS where he is for another week or two so they can be sure it's not just settling in issues. They've also said that if DS stays in Reception, he's going to have to do lots of extra work, both at home, and in school with his teacher and the TAs, so will have less playtime than his classmates. They've set up another meeting for a fortnights time to discuss this again.

I have had concerns about DS's readiness for school, although as I don't know many small children, I didn't know if I was being all PFB and worrying about nothing. But now we've had this meeting with the school, I'm definitely concerned. I'm feeling that even if they say they think he'll probably be okay in Reception, I'd rather he went into the nursery class so that he won't be burdened with all the pressure of this catch up work. I'd be less concerned if he was actually focusing and paying attention well in class. His behaviour at school this week seems to be getting worse rather than better too.

So... would it be reasonable to ask that he moves down into nursery, even if they come back and say DS will probably cope if we do all this extra work? They said they won't move him without our consent, but DH reckons that they're likely to be overly optimistic about DS's ability to cope because he thinks a lot of parents would view this sort of proposal negatively.

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Keeptrudging · 25/09/2015 14:11

School nursery is usually geared towards preparing children for school, so they would generally do activities to help them learn to hold a pencil, use scissors, be able to sit and listen for short spells, line up etc. Also early phonics and number work, using songs and games etc. If your son hasn't been to school nursery and has been going to private for a few sessions a week, he may well not have skills that other pupils have. It sounds like school are trying to give him a good chance to have the same grounding as other pupils by letting him have a year in nursery. I would jump at the chance. It's no fun being the youngest, especially if you're getting stuck/confused. Give him time to mature a little, he'll do better educationally and socially.

hazeyjane · 25/09/2015 17:02

They are aware that this is not something to be dealt with by differentiation.

My ds has sn, he is non verbal, and is emerging in all areas (he is in yr 1), but has a differentiated curriculum. The op's ds doesn't have special needs, the school should be able to accommodate him in his year group.

I am actually surprised that the private nursery did nothing regarding phonics as I thought they all had to conform to certain guidelines and individual needs.

The EYFS guidelines don't specify anything about being taught phonics in nursery, so (they) are ready for the next steps in learning to read

I would worry, that if this is the pressure they are under in year R, what sort of expectations are they working to up in year 4, 5 and 6!

Inkymess · 25/09/2015 23:53

If you have the option of dropping back I'd grab it. Summer borns are not always ready. Prem babies even less so. Give him a fighting chance and let him start reception next year. Our school nursery and the local big private nursery defo do very basic phonics etc early on. Most start yearR within some knowledge

mrz · 26/09/2015 09:47

The school nursery obviously work in a specific way aimed at preparing children for their reception class so any child who has not "benefited" ?? from attending will be at a disadvantage.
Your child sounds like a normal child starting school and in another school he would not stand out as different/less mature/behind his classmates.

teacherwith2kids · 26/09/2015 10:00

"Your child sounds like a normal child starting school and in another school he would not stand out as different/less mature/behind his classmates."

Exactly this!

KingscoteStaff · 26/09/2015 10:18

It's really important that you find out what will be the ramifications for secondary transfer - bearing in mind that you may be looking at secondary schools in a different LEA.

In our school we had a child who was working with the year below. To enable them to transfer at the 'correct' age, they did the first 2 terms of Year 5, moved into Year 6 for the summer term and then on to secondary.

Not ideal, particularly socially.

Moving down a year might make excellent sense at the start, but you need to think of the results later on.

FakeTwat · 26/09/2015 11:25

I'd run a mile from that pushy school but given the option of delaying reception start without having to fight for that, I'd jump at the chance.

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