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School stating which pens parents HAVE to buy

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Verbena37 · 12/02/2015 23:25

We recently had a short note from deputy head telling us that following an outside inspection, they were introducing a handwriting policy. This meant that every child in school would be given two gel pens.....one for all writing at school and home and the coloured pen for marking their work.

They would only be allowed be allowed to use those specific branded pens and the school would supply them for 40p per pen.

DDs pen ran out a week after she was given it and they smudge.

Today, DS got a note from the tescher in his diary.....to me.....telling me he needed to take in 80p to replace the pens (DS has told me one pen was stolen and one was placed by another child under the table and squashed).

My problem with it all is that (in the words of www.gov.uk) state schools cannot charge parents for materials or supplies.

Surely if they have a problem with handwriting, they should.....errrr......teach handwriting. The NC states that years 5 and 6 should still have handwriting lessons.....DS says they never do. How, by giving them specific pens, will this help handwriting? I'm thinking that either they're trying to make money out of selling them or b) just trying to impress Oftsed.....they are being monitored following issues over the last couple of years.

I feel as though I'm being a bit OTT about it all but it's just another thing where actually teaching the kids seems to be override by another crap idea!
I was going to email his teacher that wrote in the diary....something like:
If the school is going to enforce those pens, then they need to resource them bla bla bla. Should I go ahead and send it? With two kids there, it's going to add up buying 4 gel pens for them every other week!!

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Verbena37 · 16/02/2015 11:03

Kind of explains why the education system is in peril then hijk.
If that's what schools worry about.......
Blimey, at uni and in the world of work, does anyone stipulate really stipulate pen shade or shape or style? Nope......not unless it's speicific for that job....like architecture etc.

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mrz · 16/02/2015 11:10

Maths seems to out a little
10p X 2 per pupil = 20p X 300 pupils = 60 pounds X number of weeks (2 pens per week Max?) would be the grand total of 2340 pounds over a school year - definitely wouldn't pay for 2 teachers

mrz · 16/02/2015 11:13

It has nothing to do with Ofsted setting silly marking policies is down to individual schools !

AmpersandRea · 16/02/2015 11:23

I think our children go to the same school, Verbena!
The pens are rubbishy, DD's handwriting is terrible using the school pens. Her handwriting is much better using her fountain pen.

Verbena37 · 16/02/2015 11:28

Perhaps AmpersandRea....we bought DS a lovely fountain pen for Xmas, just before he policy was set. He does beautiful writing with it; far better than with the new pens.....making his writing scratchy-looking and messy. when I joined that same school in year 5, we were only allowed to use fountain pens....but not told which make to buy.

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PastSellByDate · 16/02/2015 11:28

not sure if angst comment was directed at me - I adore buying pens and am perfectly happy to supply pens/ papers/ etc... for DDs work - as this is pretty typical requirement of parents in US.

but would love to know why berol felt tip in primary/ blue biro in secondary and pencils for maths is not desirable/ preferred.

Is there a logic there? Or is it just preference/ uniformity - if all kids write in blue and I mark in green/ red - it's clear whose comments are whose? or similar?

jellycake · 16/02/2015 11:35

Quite frankly this is madness! We have been picked up on the handwriting of the children, implemented a new policy and DIDN'T charge the parents for pens! As the person responsible for buying stock, I simply ordered new pens and we gave them out!! Ofsted may have identified the handwriting issue but the school will have decided on this mad strategy. It may be that the finances of the school are poor and that is a management issue and this is a tiny clue about the other bigger issues that are going on.
Gel pens are crap for writing and we ban them in our school!

Verbena37 · 16/02/2015 11:37

No....the angst comment was directed at me Smile

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Verbena37 · 16/02/2015 11:39

I haven't yet approached the school but I agree jellycake..... I think there is a lot more to this than pens and handwriting!

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TheyLearnedFromBrian · 16/02/2015 11:43

I'd send a cheerful reply explaining that you're very much NOT on board with this policy, and exactly why - not only are they breaking guidelines on demanding parents pay, but your experience is that the pens are a poor choice for handwriting and don't last. And that's your last word on it - and you will be supporting your DS continuing to use his more suitable, erasable, cheaper pen.

Nothing they can do about that except make him use a pen they supply in class - and if what you say is true, they should welcome constructive criticism on this especially if they're expecting you to make a financial contribution to support their ideas

PastSellByDate · 16/02/2015 11:51

Thanks Verbena Flowers - I'm off for a well earned Brew - I've been waiting for the little theatre hosting DD2's forthcoming group performance to release tickets all morning.

hope the pen thing/ and DS's homework thing all work out!

I also get the frustration - sometimes I think schools forget that their decisions alter your own plans - i.e. I was sent a note informing me that my parent/ teacher meeting is at x time. Have also had a music exam date come up on a bad day.

Hey ho.

AmpersandRea · 16/02/2015 11:58

I thought about writing to the school, Verbena (Middle School beginning with O?)
I wouldn't mind being asked to use a specific style of pen, but I object to being told that only one specific brand is allowed (they are much more expensive in the local stationers btw)
Some teachers are allowing the children to use their own pens as well. Grrr.

SunnyBaudelaire · 16/02/2015 11:59

no idea which teacher thinks that gel pens are good for handwriting anyway!

PastSellByDate · 16/02/2015 12:00

but are they good to chew on SunnyBaudelaire?

SunnyBaudelaire · 16/02/2015 12:02

lol as long as they don't fill up kids's mouths with noxious 'gel' I suppose...

hijk · 16/02/2015 12:02

Kind of explains why the education system is in peril then hijk.
If that's what schools worry about.......

It might go some way to explaining the crisis in education, verbena, but like much of the insanity, it comes from ofsteed, not the school. and you are right, mrz, the exact policy does come down to the school, but the options to choose from in each case come from ofsted's recommendations for that school, and all the choices are generally as mad as each other.

TheReluctantCountess · 16/02/2015 12:04

When I was at primary school, we had to use No Nonsense fountain pens, and they cost a lot more than 40p each!

Verbena37 · 16/02/2015 12:17

Yes, but they lasted for years. I still have my original fountain pen from year 5 (albeit it with a cracked lid). So easy to buy cheap ink cartridges and slows down their writing so it's much neater.

Tbh, it's the way that they are teaching handwriting that needs looking at. The French has beautiful handwriting from the word go and I'm sure they aren't so picky about pen brands!

Yes, AmpersandRea, that's it Wink.
I too thought about writing but think the school aren't too keen on me complaining about different issues. If lots of parents were bothered I would be up for it though. Have been trying to get the chair of governors email but cannot find it on website.......probably because the school want to be emailed through them so they can stop it before it reaches the governors Grin

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Verbena37 · 16/02/2015 12:19

As I think I mentioned higher up my post......there isn't really any difference the school enforcing parents to buy Nike trainers.....saying they will be able to perform better in PE....that obviously wouldn't happen but is no different than the pen thing.

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mrz · 16/02/2015 13:25

I would be surprised if you can find a single OFSTED report recommending the colour of ink used by teachers to mark books ... it's a myth perpetuated by some schools to enforce pointless policies.

hijk · 16/02/2015 13:28

no it isn't and you don't have to have it in writing, the ofsted inspectors can just say what they want to see, or the HMI inspectors who are preparing a school for ofsted.

mrz · 16/02/2015 13:29

In France parents provide all equipment for their child from pens to paper to paint to slates etc. Handwriting was (is?) first taught on a slate then on squared handwriting paper ... Not sure if they specify brands

Verbena37 · 16/02/2015 13:31

I would love to see evidence that uni ball signo gel pens in black and purple specifically enhance and improve a child's handwriting.

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hijk · 16/02/2015 13:35

Verbena, you don't understand, ofsted don't need evidence of anything, they just come up with these half baked novel ideas, and claim they have been scientifically researched, without the faintest understanding what scientific, or researched actually mean, and we all have to fall in with it, until the next ludicrous idea comes along.

mrz · 16/02/2015 13:57

Are you honestly suggesting Ofsted gave recommended a specific brand, colour and type of pen! ??