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7 Year Old Working at Level 3B for Maths and 3A for English

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UltimateMathsT · 03/02/2015 14:21

In terms of KS1 SATs, how would you adequately assess a 7 year old child , already attaining secure Level 3 in both Maths and English?
Are there any extension assessment provisions for the "More Able"?

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TeenAndTween · 07/02/2015 17:04

No chance that the LEA requested schools send away some papers for cross-school moderation purposes?

mrz · 07/02/2015 17:21

Schools are moderated but it doesn't involve sending tests away ... When the teacher marked the tests they would be aware of how well a child had done.

JustRichmal · 07/02/2015 17:26

Could that have been it? Would they not have known what the score was subject to moderation? In which case they should have known dd was likely to get a high score. She took the exam in March. Would they have had to send it immediately?

JustRichmal · 07/02/2015 17:27

Sorry, cross posted

JustRichmal · 07/02/2015 17:44

To think the years of conversations in which teachers kept persuading me dd was not as advanced in maths as I thought could have been so easily avoided. Thank goodness as least I did not waiver. Dd took her GCSE when she was 10 and got A*.

She is now at secondary the teaching is completely different and excellent.

mrz · 08/02/2015 06:53

If she did the tests in March they would have clear evidence to support ongoing teacher assessment and I would expect them to use this to provide work at a suitable level to move her along.

MirandaWest · 08/02/2015 07:47

If she got an A* in her maths GCSE when she was 10 then I would imagine at the end of year 2 it would have been clear that she was working at a high level (although of course children's progress is not always linear).

Was the gcse done through her school (in which case I suppose they must have recognised her ability in maths by that point) or did you enter her privately?

JustRichmal · 08/02/2015 08:18

I took her out in year 5, when she was realising she was never going to learn anything new in maths at school. The schools never had evidence at what level she was working because they never gave her work at her level.

I did go in repeatedly to tell them her level was higher, but the answer was always that though in the top group their assessments showed she was not outstanding and in some assessments mid to bottom of that group. I did ask for her to do independent tests, but was told it was teacher assessment only.

In a couple of meetings I was given evidence of things she could not do. When I asked her after the meeting, she could do it.

The pupils were given different targets and if they completed it they would be put up to the next level. I found the exception to this was if they completed the top level. One term they were working on adding and taking away 9 by adding 10 and taking away 1. When I said she could do this the teacher told me she could not go up to the next level because she had assessed her and she could not count back fluently from any number under 100 in eights.
What can you do when you are saying to the school she is at a higher level and the school says she is not?

mrz · 08/02/2015 18:24

Had you tutored her a home?

tobysmum77 · 08/02/2015 18:38

I really dont understand why you are so concerned about sats. Surely the important thing is that your child is adequately challenged at school and that the work is appropriate? what does it matter if they get L3 or L4? Personally I would be really worried that if it meant they are meant to go up two levels in ks2 then there would be pressure to get a 6. The child is 7.

mrz · 08/02/2015 18:48

There won't be the pressure in Y6. When the OPs child reaches Y6 there will be totally different measure which doesn't correlate to the present system.

tobysmum77 · 08/02/2015 19:01

haha yes of course

mrz · 08/02/2015 19:13

Which probably makes it even more pointless to worry

NumptyNu · 10/02/2015 21:33

Will the same levelling system be applied this year? Eg 2a, 3c, 3b etc?

ragged · 10/02/2015 22:01

Dd took her GCSE when she was 10 and got A*.

May I ask where she took it, JustRichmal? Esp. since you were HEing. Friends who HE have had trouble finding schools that will let their kids sit iGCSEs as HE candidates.

egnahc · 10/02/2015 22:05

Mrz.

I think that prior to the KS1 assessment changes 2005 it was possible to have the papers of KS1 pupils taking KS2 tests externally marked with the Y6. I can't find anything to back up why I think this as the guidance going back that far as is archived.

Feenie · 11/02/2015 07:10

No, that wasn't the case either (having been Literacy and Assessment coordinator for many years prior to 2005).

Feenie · 11/02/2015 07:14

NumptyNu, the requirements are that KS1 reading, writing and maths assessments are reported as 1, 2c,2b,2a, 3 or 4 (with only level 2 given sublevels) and science and speaking and listening reported as 1, 2, 3,or 4.

Some schools choose to subdivide further and report 3c, 3b, 3a, etc, but it's not a requirement.

NumptyNu · 11/02/2015 09:25

Thanks for explaining that Feenie. So if I ask at parents evening, which subdivision she is working at roughly, the teacher should be able to guide me?

Do we think if the children are borderline 2a/3c, and the teacher needs to apply a 2 at the end of the year, that they will signal where roughly within the 2 the child is?

What are the benefits of the new system? It seems to dilute the information that us parents get on the children's progress even further. Or has it been designed for that purpose? Ie to soothe the anxieties of the pushy mommas?

Feenie · 11/02/2015 17:37

Is your child in Y2, numptynu? If so then the teacher will be able to give you the information you're asking for.

mrz · 11/02/2015 18:28

Having been both the literacy coordinator and Y2 teacher that wasn't the case.

NumptyNu · 12/02/2015 10:18

Yes, she is a Y2.

NumptyNu · 15/02/2015 08:06

So y2 teacher has already moved to the new system and tells me DD is in the 'expected' range, which by my reckoning, represents a slight downwards shift from 2c at end if year1?

mrz · 15/02/2015 08:09

The Year 2 shouldn't have moved to the new system the statutory requirement is that Y2 teaches and assesses using the previous curriculum this year.

NumptyNu · 15/02/2015 09:55

Thanks Mrz, very useful to know.

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