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Is is no longer acceptable to ignore the children during playdates?

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DoMyBest · 24/01/2015 21:47

I've never really been a huge one for playdates. I did a few when my children were 2 then 3 years old, then stopped. I never really thought about why - I suppose I put it down to being disorganised. I tended to suggested lunches instead when the children were at school.

But now my children are 5 and 6 years old, I've started doing the odd playdate with friends with children the same age - partly to have 'time off' from playing with my child during weekends/holidays, but mostly to catch up with old friends whilst our children play. Visions of my mother, when I had playdates, banning us from the sitting room and telling us to go play upstairs as she and a girlfriend would drink tea or wine, gossip and laugh for what seemed like hours whilst we happily entertained ourselves without them meant I'd really look forward to each playdate. The sort of proper girly time I rarely get now I'm rarely out past 7pm...

But I keep finishing playdates feeling disappointed. I've noticed that, whether the playdate's at mine or theirs, the mothers tend to prioritise their children above, well, me! The most recent one - at which I brought lunch to a girlfriends, we ate it with the children then they went off to play - started so well. But when, 5 minutes later, stuck into a juicy conversation, her child returned to say he wanted to play a complicated game he needed our help with and I suggested they just choose one of the other 50 or so toys in the house so we could carry on gossiping - my friend suddenly agreed help, laid the game out on the kitchen table and proceeded to play it for the next hour with her child as we struggled to grasp it, whilst encouraging him to recite his times tables (all the way to 100 - it took forever). She eventually saw how bored both I, and my child, were so I jumped at her idea of a trip to the local library. Again, visions of us sitting and chatting as our children leafed through the pictures of books (mine doesn't read very well but he'll happily sit for half an hour flicking). But no, she started reading her son a long story and that was that, no chatting.

This is just one example. On hindsight, all my playdates with anlgo-saxon mums have been like this (the French are the total opposite: they crack open a bottle of wine at lunch and don't notice their children unless there's been a serious emergency). And, on hindsight, the reason I stopped doing toddler playdates was for the same reason. But, whereas toddlers need help going to the loo, eating, being supervised, etc, older children don't.

So here's my question: has playdate etiquette changed since the last generation? Is it now no longer acceptable to ignore children during playdates? And, if playdates are now all about focusing not just on your, but other people's, children - which just feels like even harder work to me - what's the advantage to mothers of having them at all?

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Trooperslane · 25/01/2015 09:18

Nope. Had brunch with wine yesterday and dh, me and our friends had great chats in the kitchen whilst the smallies got on with it.

House baby safe and we checked on them now and again.

We all had fun.

Artandco · 25/01/2015 09:24

The thing is mine are only small anyway (3 and 4), so it's not even like I'm suggesting abandoning them in different part of the house alone. We live in an open plan flat! If adult sits in dining area or living area, they are within sight of playing area.
Parents always stay due to ages and I would want them to tbh as some clingy/toilet help etc, but I'm amazed how many cant just sit down with a drink and chat, but constantly get up and down to interact or disappear to play. We only do shortish play dates anyway..
The other half are perfectly able to sit down for an hour so hopefully it isn't us!

DeliciousMonster · 25/01/2015 09:27

I think you need to put your hand on your friend's arm when they have given their child 5 minutes of their time and say 'What the heck do you think you are doing? This is my playdate not theirs. All eyes on me sista. Now you - shoo - go play. Right, now about me'.

ChocolateCherry · 25/01/2015 09:29

I'm with you op. My dc are teens now but when they were younger I had your approach as did most other mums I knew too. Now if they have someone over my input is even more minimal. Just provide a lot of food.

'the French are the total opposite: they crack open a bottle of wine at lunch and don't notice their children unless there's been a serious emergency'. Perfect!

DoMyBest · 25/01/2015 10:21

DeliciousMonster, I tried. But she was adamant. There's always a reason ('oh hold on, he just learnt his 8x table' or 'oh, hold on, that games' up too high for him to reach and, come to think of it, he doesn't know how to play with it yet, I'll just get him started') which is hard to rebut without fearing a fight. After a while I just give in and daydream about our days pre-children guzzling wine in bars and checking out the barmen, sigh.

ChocolateCherry, funnily enough I spent my 20s avoiding French women (too -stand offish, too flirty with my boyfriends, too perfect to be true) and now find myself back in England and gliding towards them - and its mutual! One French mother, horrified at my tales of recent playdates, said to me 'a recent study showed that most French children's first word is 'ATTEND', because all they hear for years is 'wait'. She really cheered me up).

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noramum · 25/01/2015 10:30

DD just had 3 friends over, all were dropped off and the pick up time confirmed.

I provided drinks and snacks and helped when one of the girls got stuck wi a dress up dress.

Othewise I read and played on the computer.

I may help to explain the rules of a simple board game if DD gets one out the other children do not know but I always check it is one they can play on their own.

When we have family friends over they know better than ask for too much help.

Madcats · 25/01/2015 19:44

DoMyBest, I think it is the 'copter-Mom friends that have the issue. I've noticed a couple at school (who are gradually spotting that other kids are happily doing sleepovers whilst their DC is struggling to do playdates).

I was fairly attentive in reception (because kids can be some grumpy after school if there are insufficient snacks) and we needed to get to know families.

Very quickly thereafter I found the children started to plan their playdates, so we'd give them a quick glass of milk and biscuit and expect them to leave us in peace in the kitchen or garden to re-emerge at about 5-6pm for some supper..

By year 2 or 3 we tended to do childminding style playdates so one of us would collect the kids and Mum or Dad would materialise a few hours' later but the kids still know. Or they observe the golden rule that they ask before interrupting us. Wine o'clock might kick in at about 6pm (also fairly normal for us to crack open a bottle of wine or 2 on a lunchtime/early evening restaurant playdate with families).

I hesitate to suggest it, but introduce your kids to Minecraft (best baby-sitter ever if you can link their tablets so they can go into each others' worlds).

DoMyBest · 25/01/2015 20:04

Loving the sound of your playdates, madcats. Again, thank you all for reassuring me am normal (I feared I'd get a barrage of 'you're such a negligent mother, don't you WANT to be with your children 24 hours a day, every second is a blessing' type comments). Hurrah hurrah am not the odd one out. Now I just need to find other parents like me.

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Iggly · 25/01/2015 20:39

Maybe it is nerves in some cases.

I play with the children when I cannot face talking to the parent....

TripTrapTripTrapOverTheBridge · 25/01/2015 20:50

Umm,I thought playdates were arranged for the kids to get them socialising,rather than the point being for the parent to socialise in peace while another kid occupies theirs?

Most parents don't stay for playdates. If you're nipping round to a friends house for a catch up,surely that's visiting a friend for a catch up rather than a 'playdate' ? Those who do stay around often join in as the whole point of a playdate is socialising the kids,so parents sometimes join in games etc which is fine imo

MrsFogi · 25/01/2015 21:45

Totally ignore all children during a play date unless there is imminent danger of death or injury. Children who are too "high maintenance" do not get invited back.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 26/01/2015 02:12

Sounds like there are two quite different types of play dates.

The ones where the kid gets dropped off and the adults don't know eachother, and the ones that are about the parents having fun.

CheerfulYank · 26/01/2015 03:16

My favorite play dates are where there's a playroom on an entirely different floor to the one we're on. Bliss!

QuiteQuietly · 26/01/2015 10:28

I just don't mix adults and children. More bother than it's worth. Either adults come round and children keep out of the way, emerging for mealtimes. Or children come round and I am a vague background presence who provides meals and steps in for first aid. What are the chances of really getting along with your DC's friends' parents anyway? If it's a whole family "playdate", then it's always lopsided towards parents or children. And socially limiting. Why should my DC be friends with the children of my friends? They can be polite and get along, but why should they be great chums who can play for hours? Can I only be friends with people who have the right number of similar aged children?

MrsFogi · 28/01/2015 22:28

I also insist on the children sitting at the other end of the table at restaurants (or better still, at the next table) - although mine are 7 and 9. Everyone has a much better time Grin.

Nameofstreets · 29/01/2015 07:36

I always thought the aim of a successful play date was that you didn't see them and there were lot of thumps from upstairs.

Nameofstreets · 29/01/2015 07:37

Definitely adults and children separate ends of children at all parties/extended gatherings EXCEPT FOR TEA PARTIES (when the children are a bonus).

TheBuskersDog · 29/01/2015 07:53

Agree that if it's about you catching up with friends and have children then it isn't a playdate.
A playdate is when you give children a chance to play with their choice of children outside of school. If the child is young then a parent will usually stay, at least the first few times, and you can have a chat and get to know the friend's mum.
As they get older they usually go home with friend and parent and you pick up later.
It's about the children, if you get on well with the parents it's a bonus.

Fleurdelise · 29/01/2015 08:29

I have very good friends with DCs same age as my dd. When we meet up kids are sent upstairs to play and we never see them again until it is leaving time. Except maybe for some nibbles or some help to get a certain toy down from a high shelf.

One friend has a boy same age as dd (7yo) and they have now stopped playing together but we still don't interfere much, sometimes the boy comes and sits by her mother while my dd keeps playing. My friend and I keep chatting away.

Playdates with school friends is just dropping them off and picking them up. Again kids playing on their own.

I think that reciting times tables can be done at home. So it must have been a show off moment that some mothers find important to do in front of other mothers.

CruCru · 29/01/2015 18:40

This must be completely exhausting. Making the kids go off and play by themselves teaches them quite a lot.

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