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Is is no longer acceptable to ignore the children during playdates?

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DoMyBest · 24/01/2015 21:47

I've never really been a huge one for playdates. I did a few when my children were 2 then 3 years old, then stopped. I never really thought about why - I suppose I put it down to being disorganised. I tended to suggested lunches instead when the children were at school.

But now my children are 5 and 6 years old, I've started doing the odd playdate with friends with children the same age - partly to have 'time off' from playing with my child during weekends/holidays, but mostly to catch up with old friends whilst our children play. Visions of my mother, when I had playdates, banning us from the sitting room and telling us to go play upstairs as she and a girlfriend would drink tea or wine, gossip and laugh for what seemed like hours whilst we happily entertained ourselves without them meant I'd really look forward to each playdate. The sort of proper girly time I rarely get now I'm rarely out past 7pm...

But I keep finishing playdates feeling disappointed. I've noticed that, whether the playdate's at mine or theirs, the mothers tend to prioritise their children above, well, me! The most recent one - at which I brought lunch to a girlfriends, we ate it with the children then they went off to play - started so well. But when, 5 minutes later, stuck into a juicy conversation, her child returned to say he wanted to play a complicated game he needed our help with and I suggested they just choose one of the other 50 or so toys in the house so we could carry on gossiping - my friend suddenly agreed help, laid the game out on the kitchen table and proceeded to play it for the next hour with her child as we struggled to grasp it, whilst encouraging him to recite his times tables (all the way to 100 - it took forever). She eventually saw how bored both I, and my child, were so I jumped at her idea of a trip to the local library. Again, visions of us sitting and chatting as our children leafed through the pictures of books (mine doesn't read very well but he'll happily sit for half an hour flicking). But no, she started reading her son a long story and that was that, no chatting.

This is just one example. On hindsight, all my playdates with anlgo-saxon mums have been like this (the French are the total opposite: they crack open a bottle of wine at lunch and don't notice their children unless there's been a serious emergency). And, on hindsight, the reason I stopped doing toddler playdates was for the same reason. But, whereas toddlers need help going to the loo, eating, being supervised, etc, older children don't.

So here's my question: has playdate etiquette changed since the last generation? Is it now no longer acceptable to ignore children during playdates? And, if playdates are now all about focusing not just on your, but other people's, children - which just feels like even harder work to me - what's the advantage to mothers of having them at all?

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reni1 · 24/01/2015 22:27

I make a point of saying to my own child in front of the other parent "the whole point of play dates is that you kids play, you can play with me any time, but xyz will be gone tonight". Works a treat, many mums just never thought they could say no after 5 years of being the number 1 playmate.

RonaldMcFartNuggets · 24/01/2015 22:29

I've stopped seeing other mothers for this reason.

I think it's a mix of trying to look like an engaged perfect parent in front of others and guilt.

Weird.

Funnily enough all their kids cannot play alone for more than five minutes whereas ds plays happily for a good hour on his own sometimes (2yrs). In glad he's learnt how to.

I don't see the point of arranging to meet, get there and then watch them with their kid?

PotteryLottery · 24/01/2015 22:34

Ignore at your peril. I made a cuppa whilst DD (age 6) and playmate played upstairs.

Only to find they had put fake snow in basin and I had to call plumber out to clear blockage.

Expensive playdate!

morethanpotatoprints · 24/01/2015 22:36

Me and my friends leave them too it unless there is bloodshed. Grin
I agree, not much point otherwise.
When they are older they shouldn't want you hanging around, spoiling their fun.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 24/01/2015 22:40

OP I would have a playdate with you - we leave the children to themselves (only to disturb us if blood is drawn) and crack open the wine any tome we can Smile

I would feel robbed if I actually had to play with the children during a playdate.

Saracen · 24/01/2015 22:51

There's no "usual" way for parents to do a playdate in my circle. It's just personal preference. Some parents are directly involved with the kids throughout, while others encourage the kids to play in another room while the parents talk to each other.

I think you just have to try various friends until you find one whose outlook matches yours.

Iloveadrianmole · 24/01/2015 23:03

I leave the children to it.

Unless they need feeding, I hear a crash, loud crying or the sound of breaking glass I don't intervene.

tshirtsuntan · 24/01/2015 23:34

London? Pop over Grin

catkind · 24/01/2015 23:36

I would say the attitude among our friends and family is, we enjoy having a chat as adults and probably spend most of the playdate chatting while the kids play - but we are on duty as parents and if the kids need us or ask for help we help. It's nice getting to know friends' kids too, they're interesting people in their own right.
If we want to have uninterrupted adult chat, we go out in the evenings without small hangers on.

SavoyCabbage · 24/01/2015 23:40

My dh came home when my friend and her dd were at mine and started a conversation with one of the dc as they passed through the kitchen.

'No, no said my friend. We don't talk to the children. We pretend they aren't here and they pretend we aren't here'.

frazzled74 · 24/01/2015 23:40

Wine and nibbles for the adults in the dining room, DVD, popcorn and a few toys in sitting room for the children and if they get bored they can go to the bedrooms etc, all have a great time, I tend to have friends with mixed ages of dcs , the older ones look after the younger ones!

MildredDreadful · 24/01/2015 23:41

Playing with your own child exclusively at someone elses's house is a bit odd and quite rude IMHO.

All my friends are of the ignore the children/drink tea/gossip variety, thank god. And we say so quite firmly too.."go and play in the other room, we are talking"

IsItMeOr · 24/01/2015 23:46

DS is 5, and playdates with school friends involves them being dropped off and left most times.

Threeplus1 · 24/01/2015 23:52

I hate even the word playdate Confused

When I was a kid there was no such thing. My mum took me and my siblings round with her to her mates and, if they had kids we were sent off to play upstairs or outside. If they didn't have kids, outside we went anyway.

I've done the whole play date thing when my older two were younger but I've managed to meet a lovely bunch if mums over here who are of the same mindset, so we chat and have tea/coffee/wine and the kids go off to play and leave us, for the most part, to it.

I did find though that play dates that were kid focused are more of a thing in 'middle class' areas.... I'll don my helmet for the flaming Blush

notonyourninny · 24/01/2015 23:57

That sounds like my idea of hell. Let the dcs get on with it!

FannyFifer · 24/01/2015 23:59

The whole point of a playdate surely is in the name, they go & play with friend, adults get peace.

catkind · 25/01/2015 00:20

Well I also thought the point was in the name - it's primarily about the kids playing. Adult chat is a bonus, not the point of the exercise. If I want it to be about the adults socialising I organise an adults' social evening.

MMmomKK · 25/01/2015 00:50

I mostly see friends for coffee or lunch while kids are away. Playdates over here normally don't include other adults. Either I get DDs' friends to come over, or they go to other people's houses.

DD1 is in Y3 - so when her friends are around, they disappear into her room and I don't see them until dinner.

DD2 is in Reception and is just getting to know her new friends. They sometimes need a bit of help. I often have some sort of (purchased) craft activity prepared. When I see them stuck and not playing well together, I just get them to do some crafts and it normally breaks the ice.

AmIIndecisive · 25/01/2015 00:58

Completely agree, can't bear this! If this happens to me on a Playdate, I don't usually see the mum again (with kids) and will usually have adult only coffees with them if they are friends of mine.

Jackieharris · 25/01/2015 00:59

You stay for play dates? Confused

My understanding of play dates is drop & run. Then kids disappear into bedroom, destroy it possibly only emerging to ask for juice.

Roonerspism · 25/01/2015 01:14

Soooo with you OP...

It isn't so much the middle class mums as a PP said but the pushy mums who seize every moment to educate their child. I'm not sure this is a good idea as said child ends up completely unable to entertain itself.

LedditGo · 25/01/2015 01:52

No blood, no intervention!

DoMyBest · 25/01/2015 06:43

Well I'll be damned. My first mumsnet post where most people agree with me. This is a major step! Thank you.
Jackie Harris when i don't know the mums, and the dc are in my child's class, we do drop-off playdates. But when the mothers are my friends then the point of the playdate is more for us to catch up (or at least, I stupidly think it is!).
I clearly have to accept that some women are good just not fun playdate material - as one mumsnetter suggested, stick to kid-free activities when I see them.
Then I desperately need to find mums like you all, who shout 'no blood no intervention' (LedditGo, I couldn't have put it better myself) and have bottles of wine permanently available for last-minute playdate plans.

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RoganJosh · 25/01/2015 07:11

Two different scenarios for me:

  1. My friend comes over with their child. The aim is for the adults to talk so the children are ignored where possible.
  2. The children are friends but a bit wee to be left (3&4) so the parent comes. The aim is for the children to play, but if they're struggling a bit I'm more likely to play with them without grumbling.
GoogleyEyes · 25/01/2015 09:11

I would much prefer to leave the kids to it, but if they're screaming at each other, teasing the 3yo for being slower / smaller or want to do something crafty / messy then I feel forced to intervene. For some reason, these things happen a lot with after school play dates.

I find visiting close friends with kids the same age works much better - but that's only a weekend thing due to distance .