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Would a good teacher ask the child to put his jumper on?

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Fiona2011231 · 03/12/2014 19:53

I ask this question for my friend, as I don't really know the answer. First, to put it in the context, my friend's child is in Year 1 at a school which is not the first choice (for my friend). So she is often anxious on whether the school is good or not.

Yesterday, there was this story. As you know, for the PE session, the children would change clothes. After the PE session, the child changed back into his uniform, but he did not put his jumper on. Instead, he just placed the jumper into his bag. When the child came home, he got a cold, although it should be noted that he still got his coat on.

My friend was wondering whether in a better school, a teacher would ask the child to put his jumper on, with the coat on later, before he left the class.

Do you think a better teacher would do so, or is my friend too sensitive?

Thank you

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simpson · 03/12/2014 21:41

When the kids go outside to play they are all reminded to put a jumper on & coat if need be but if just in the classroom, then no.

rollonthesummer · 03/12/2014 22:06

I am actually cross about this! If the teacher had told the child he/she must put the jumper on, parents wouldcomplain about that!! OP, your friend (or you, if it's you really, not your friend with the issue) needs to get a spectacularly big grip.

atticusclaw · 03/12/2014 22:08

Chipping I have asked for a refund

LingDiLong · 03/12/2014 22:10

Speaking as someone who has seen lots of kids in different schools playing in the playground, it seems to be standard practice for primary-aged kids in ALL schools to run around in the freezing cold in as little as possible. They rarely seem to wear coats and sometimes not even jumpers. I think classrooms are actually quite stuffy at this time of year with the heating on and they crave a bit of cool fresh air at playtime. I wouldn't want or expect a teacher to force my kids to wear jumpers/coats unless it was below zero temperatures.

clam · 03/12/2014 22:26

This has got to be a wind-up!

Fiona2011231 · 03/12/2014 22:31

Thank you for all your frank and helpful comments. I will ask my friend to read this for herself. She should not be worried about the school.

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HarveySchlumpfenburger · 03/12/2014 22:33

Never mind a refund atticus I would be looking for compensation. I'm sure there's a no win no fee lawyer who'd be more than willing to take on the case.

ouryve · 03/12/2014 22:33

Any teacher might tell the child that it's cold and they need the jumper. If the child doesn't want to put the jumper on, then the teacher is not going to pursue it.

If the child has their coat on, anyhow, then they're hardly going to catch their death, if they're active.

ouryve · 03/12/2014 22:37

And DS2 goes to a "Good" school. No one gets up in arms that he refuses point blank to wear a coat.

mameulah · 03/12/2014 22:42

I bet hte teacher was busy teaching someone to read and didn't notice the jumper situation.

rollonthesummer · 04/12/2014 07:12

It's ridiculous complaints like this on top of the bonkers situation in teaching (if you don't know what I mean-read any one of the 'I need to leave teaching' threads) that just make people want to resign.

Good luck to OP's friend when this teacher she is so unhappy with, throws in the towel and she is left with either a series of supply teachers or an unqualified one.

clam · 04/12/2014 07:47

Well, to be fair, there might be reason to doubt the school, who knows? But a child coming out without his jumper on would be nothing to do with it.

Swimmingwithsharks · 04/12/2014 08:02

A good teacher is too busy teaching, not asking 30 kids whether they are a bit chilly and need to put their jumpers on.
Maybe your friend could take the matter up with the HT ( and then if something really important happens the staff will all ignore her).

LIZS · 04/12/2014 08:10

er no . Is she looking for excuses to move or complain ? By year 1 I'd have thought she would have some idea of what is reasonable to expect. Kids get colds, but not from not wearing a layer home. If she was so concerned would she not have checked herself and made him put it on ? Hmm

clam · 04/12/2014 10:43

For the record, I do stand at my classroom door at break-times, sending children back to the cloakroom to put on jumpers and coats when it's cold. Invariably, by the time the bell goes at the end of play, they've ripped them off and flung them on a bench somewhere and have forgotten about them.

Am I a good teacher?

redskybynight · 04/12/2014 12:16

This reminds me of when DS was in Y3 and his teacher insisted they had to put their coat on at break time.
DS used to dutifully put his coat on, wait for the teacher to go out of sight and then take it off again.

By 5 most children understand that they should put a jumper on if they are cold!

Ellle · 04/12/2014 14:36

This is an odd thread.
The way I see the OP’s opening post, she is just asking for some perspective on whether her friend is being too sensitive about the school and the issue of her son not having been told to wear a jumper, or if actually in a better school a teacher would ask him to do so.

Even though the OP actually got some good insight in answer to her question, and can safely conclude that it is not the teacher’s job to do this kind of thing and should not be expected from them, the tone of most of the answers is quite over the top. It seems people are being too sensitive as well.

Nowhere in the OP I could see that she said her friend was going to complain or had complained about the teacher or the school because of the jumper/coat incident. Only that her friend is anxious about the school which was not her first choice (we don’t know why and do not have any other information to go by); and that she was wondering if in a “better school” teachers would tell the children to put on their jumpers/coats.

So why do people have to “feel cross about this”, or think it “has to be a wind-up”, or “can’t really believe this – troll?”

The very first person that answered to the OP commented “What a strangely written post”. And I totally agree with what HolgerDanske later said: “I think the OP is writing in English as a second language which explains why it comes across rather oddly.”

If the OP has English as a second language, I could easily conjecture that her friend might as well. In other cultures (for example, where I come from), it is very common to hear things like “don’t go out without a coat, you’ll catch a cold”. I heard this from my mum ever since I can remember, so that it is ingrained in my mind.

Now that I am a mother of two living in the UK, when my DS goes out in the cold weather, the very first thing I say to him is put on a coat so you don’t get a cold.
And I know a cold is caused by a virus, and you are most likely to get it in warm enclosed places where other people are sick, but I still say this to him.

And because I know he can be stubborn sometimes and not wear his coat unless I tell him to do it, I even mentioned it one time to his teacher, and kindly asked her if she could remind him to put on his coat at break times if he wasn’t doing it.
From reading the answers here, I know perfectly well that it’s not her responsibility, but thankfully she was kind enough to tell me that she always did remind the kids anyway and that she would especially keep an eye on him to make sure he did, rather than take offense from my comment.

Finally, I was curious to see why there is this cultural belief by some that if you go out in the cold without a coat you could catch a cold. Apparently the reason a cold is called a "cold" is that people including doctors used to believe that getting too cold is what caused colds.

Nowadays, it is known that colds are caused by viruses. However, germs are everywhere and our immune systems are constantly fighting these microscopic invaders. If the body has to divert energy normally used by the immune system into keeping our bodies warm, it has less energy available for fighting viruses. So, dressing comfortably for the weather may, in fact, actually help the body ward off colds.

The "old wives tale" has its origin in common sense.

sunnyfrostyday · 04/12/2014 14:52

My asthmatic year 3 son ran up to me in the playground in his shirt sleeves last week. Coat and jumper shoved into his bag. His teacher was also in his short sleeved shirt. Parents waiting on the playground were all wrapped up with scarves and gloves.

My first thought was - classroom must be really hot today.

Second (as a governor) was - hope the heating engineer is able to fix the boiler/thermostat before christmas.

Third thought - has he left his jumper at school and lost it?

Theas18 · 04/12/2014 14:54

HaHaHaHa

Got to be a wind up in so many ways hasn't it?

Camolips · 04/12/2014 20:02

At my school we have a dedicated TA that goes round the school asking every child without a jumper if they need to put one on. There's also another one that goes round asking every child that has a jumper on if they want to take it off. We are a very caring school.

JennyBlueWren · 04/12/2014 20:55

As a teacher with that age group (or older) I would check they had their jumper when lining up to go home. If they didn't have it on I'd get them to check it was in their bag. I'm not worried about them wearing it (unless visibly too cold or as more likely too hot -take it off!!!) but about them losing it. For this reason, unless a scorcher, I'd also expect children to put their coats on. Not to keep them warm but so they had it with them (and no they can't just carry them as at least one would put it down somewhere).

tshirtsuntan · 04/12/2014 21:00

I'm a TA and go around doing up coats when on playground duty. Not "my job" but in my opinion kids in ks1 are still quite little and need reminding.

clam · 04/12/2014 21:27

Grin camolips

rollonthesummer · 04/12/2014 21:59

At my school we have a dedicated TA that goes round the school asking every child without a jumper if they need to put one on. There's also another one that goes round asking every child that has a jumper on if they want to take it off. We are a very caring school

You sound like a 'Good' if not 'Outstanding' school ;)

clam · 05/12/2014 08:22

It might make 'Outstanding' if they also have a dedicated TA to encourage all children to eat up all their lunch. And another one to reassure them that they don't have to eat all their lunch if they don't want to. They really ought also to employ someone to check the levels in children's water bottles too, to see how much they've drunk and assess whether anyone might be getting de-hydrated. (anyone remember that thread?!)