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other parents questioning my child without us being there.

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andyndionne · 29/06/2014 15:07

Hi,
I just wanted to know what the forum felt about the following situation and whether there is anything legal that can be done to stop this..

Over the last few years, my son (now 9)and his friend (also 9) have been bullied at school, by a boy who has an over protective mother, my son always seemed to get caught when he retaliated and being brought up to tell the truth always admitted to hitting, poking, kicking this other child, but not knowing how to tell someone that he was retaliating. As his parents we decided to let him sort it out, but be there to support him if it got too much. About a year ago I caught this boys mum berating my son after an incident between the two boys. The teacher at the time apologized and said she bought the issue out of the class only to find the mother there and could not change the situation.. Since then there has been some animosity between us as parents, where we have told our boy to stay away from their child.. Our boy and other boys have continued to be bullied and the bully goes home and gets questioned about the day an only states what others have done to him. That is the background. Now for the bad bit. My son, his friend and a couple of other boys were caught talking about killing this child using bleach in his crisps or poison berries or a sniper rifle. I cannot condone this behavior from my child under any circumstances and my wife was rightly called into the office to chat with the headmistress. A plan of action was put in place where the boys were going to apologize to the boy in question and a workshop involving all 5 of the boys was to take place to bring the 4 silly boys and the bully together to resolve the issue. This was duly done. THE ISSUE is that the headmistress then took my child and the other child involved in the incident into an office with the bullies(victims) parents where they were questioned and made to apologize to those parents WITHOUT myself or my wife being present. When I heard this I immediately went cold with anger and talked to the headmistress the next day. She told me that it was discussed in the meeting the previous day that this would happen. None of the other parents whose children were involved and were in the meeting remembered this as we would have all refused. I can believe that this over protective Mother had instigated this and as she is a trouble maker, got her way.
Is there anything I can do after the fact to ensure that my child is not questioned by other parents without us being there... I emphasized the point to the head teacher, but need something a little firmer to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Just as a sideline...
To cap this all off, and I am no way condoning my sons behavior, the Mother called the police on Friday afternoon and said the while thing was a racial issue because they were not Caucasian or christian and this was what motivated the 'attack'. The police were understanding when they cam over and I gave a frank and honest review of our contacts with the over protective mother and they said they would go back to them and have a talk. Please understand this is not just the view of the family by myself as a parent, but also a reflection of some of the other parents views as well (I am not a gossip, just a very angry Dad trying to do the best for my son).. Roll on Monday when we go back to school.

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Thumbwitch · 29/06/2014 15:42

One thing I will say re. the so-called "plan" is that, if all is as you have presented it, then clearly the boys are being let down by the school in terms of the bullying being stopped, as they are looking at seriously extreme ways of trying to stop it themselves.
So (again, if all is as you say) the school really need to address their bullying policy and make sure that this boy is stopped in the correct manner.

andyndionne · 29/06/2014 15:43

pimple, thanks for the suggestion.

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andyndionne · 29/06/2014 15:48

OfficerVanHalen.

I have reported you for the language as it is never acceptable to swear. I am not or my son racist in any way shape or form. Everyone is equal in my eyes and there are no differences due to creed or colour. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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LIZS · 29/06/2014 15:54

Sorry but you still sound very closed to the possibility that your ds may have said or done as accused. It may be playground talk that got out of hand but it would be considered bullying and may still have racial implications. Just because your ds didn't originate it doesn't mean he hasn't joined in .

BOFster · 29/06/2014 16:00

For fuck's sake. BOGGLING at this. If anything that OfficerVanHalen has said gets deleted, there is no bloody hope for this place- the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

OfficerVanHalen · 29/06/2014 16:00

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MostWicked · 29/06/2014 16:01

I can believe that this over protective Mother had instigated this and as she is a trouble maker, got her way.
No matter what the other mother wanted, it was the HT's decision.

Would you not be over-protective if a group of children had threatened to kill your child?
Even if you son did not instigate this, being a follower or supporter is equally as bad.
If your son does not want to be seen as a bully, he needs to put distance between himself and people who are. Bullying is not always one way. Some kids have a knack of being able to constantly wind each other up. That's what the hitting, poking and kicking sounds like.

andyndionne · 29/06/2014 16:02

LIZS,
I believe my son did say some of the things, which is why I went so hard on him. Racism, NO definitely not. He belongs(ed) to a drama group where the majority of the kids there are from different racial backgrounds, he is friends with the older girls from all ethnic areas. Racism NO!! he does not see anyone as different apart from being a boy or a girl. Is he wrong, or done wrong.. YES!! definitely and I have spelt this out in so many ways.. As a father I want to protect my son, but if he has done wrong (which he has) he must own up to it and take the punishment (which he is doing).

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andyndionne · 29/06/2014 16:04

OfficerVanHalen,

I agree, I am a dreadful parent who did not know how to deal with the issue. I am trying to change that, but some things are going to far. I do not mind you posting what you do, as you have an opinion, but there is no need for swearing.

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Trollsworth · 29/06/2014 16:06

Swearing is acceptable on this website. Swearing has always been accepted on this website. I respectfully suggest you address your question on a website where swearing is banned.

zzzzz · 29/06/2014 16:06

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Sparklingbrook · 29/06/2014 16:06

andy what would you like to see happen now?

andyndionne · 29/06/2014 16:07

MostWicked,

If this was the other way round, I would have liked them to be present.. Not so I could Gloat, but so they can clearly see what is going on. It felt like my son had 3 adults ganging up on him. As I say I do not condone the behavior and have dealt with it the best I know how to.

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Cocolepew · 29/06/2014 16:07

Just because your son is helpful in cubs or to younger children doesn't mean he isnt a bully. It just means he isnt bullying those children.

You cant get someone deleted for swearing, we're all adults.

LIZS · 29/06/2014 16:10

but some of the things said could be interpreted as racially motivated ,whether he is fundamentally racist or not. Potentially there is a problem with the dynamics of this group and agree there may be fault and retaliation on both sides, but it has to be dealt with seriously . Your gripe should be with your son and your head if you disagree with the way the school are handling it. Don't aim your anger and frustration at the other mother as that will only add fuel to the situation. You also need to take your head out of the sand and realise that your ds is bombarded with negative messages and behaviour all around him daily and even by excluding tv, playdates etc you may not be eliminating this.

OfficerVanHalen · 29/06/2014 16:12

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andyndionne · 29/06/2014 16:15

Cocolepew, I am not trying to get someone deleted for swearing I was hoping they would remove the words. I personally cannot stand swearing. I feel it is the last resort and should not be used at all. That is my opinion, I was hoping people would respect it as much as I respect others. I have answered most statements with as honest an answer as possible, understood that my DS is sometimes not an angel, can believe he can bully and am open to suggestions. I was looking for help and not a tirade of LOOK IN THE MIRROR statements. Maybe this is the wrong place to do this, as I would have thought most people would have realized I would not skip over the fact what my child has done is wrong on so many levels.

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OfficerVanHalen · 29/06/2014 16:17

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Thumbwitch · 29/06/2014 16:20

Andy with the best will in the world, if you can't stand swearing, Mumsnet isn't going to be the best place for you. Swearing is not an issue on this site and you will not get the words deleted here.

Look, this has happened, you can't do anything about it now apart from put in a complaint about the way it was handled and the way that the school are handling the bullying situation. Go in and see the head teacher if you have to, to make it clear how angry you are with their actions, and how you feel about it.

andyndionne · 29/06/2014 16:26

zzzz,

Thank you for the suggestion. I believe that I shall do as you say.

I really believed at the time that the bullying was just boys being boys, it has only escalated recently. To leave him to deal with it is wrong and I am now looking at ways to help and resolve the situation for all parties.
I understand it is wrong to focus on the other parents and can see their side as well, but still feel it shows no thought by the head teacher for either letting this situation happen or being talked into it. I just needed to let off steam in some form. How do you think you would feel if you got told your 9 year old was planning to kill someone????

In answer to others. Maybe his life seems draconian, do we not all want to keep our kids kids and enjoy life and play. I live in a small village where he goes to the park to play on his own with his friends of the same age group. There is only one older child in the village, all others are younger. He has friends over to play every day, in the tree house and with the football (soccar) goals. Safe in my garden, but allowed out if they tell us where they are going. Not too draconian.. Just a hopefully happy boys life.

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MexicanSpringtime · 29/06/2014 16:46

Just scanned this thread. I don't know about the murder plot, but I do think you should not defend your son retaliating to the "bully", which is quite distinct from defending himself.

I always associate bullying with a feeling of helplessness on the victim's part and yes, four boys relatiating against one boy implies that the bullying is going in the other direction.

RandallFloyd · 29/06/2014 17:17

My sister you to tell me she wanted to hit me over the head with a sledgehammer.

She never did.

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WalterWhiteMakesBlue · 29/06/2014 17:56

I'm really surprised by the responses on this thread. I actually find I can believe your son is not the bully here. I have before seen one very 'mean' child making several others lives a misery. It does happen and just because the bully is in the minority it doesn't mean its not happening.

I also agree with an earlier poster that the 'killing' threats sound more about the depth of feeling rather than an actual intention. I have a very good child psychology book about 'letting go' of negative emotion and this is often done by younger children by drawing (scribbling), stabbing a piece of paper with a pencil, ripping it up etc. I can imagine your DS and the other boys were maybe doing a more version of this and extending it with fantasy - but got it wrong as of course talking about killing someone is not appropriate and obviously your son is now well aware of this.

I would also be angry in your situation that a plan, which had been agreed, was then extended without your knowledge and involved your son being put in front of the other parents. I think you were right in bringing it to the heads attention that you weren't happy. I don't think there is a huge amount more you can do. Hopefully for your DS sake this boy will move on again soon.

UsedToBeShirley · 29/06/2014 18:10

"Boys will be boys" the clarion call for those who justify the behaviour of bullies.

Boys will be boys was actually said to me about a boy who attacked my son in school and hit him so hard about the head that he broke his knuckles. I wonder if the OP would call me an "over protective" parent as I too went to the police and seriously considered having the child charged.

Boys will be boys, and ineffectual parents will be ineffectual parents.

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