Level 6 year 6

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Bright class. A number of kids got sats level 6 for writing (DS too) I know that's a good level to achieve but surely level 6 in year 6 can't be equivalent to level 6 in secondary school. But also if they are achieving level 6 now does that mean A's at GCSE. What about A level?

kingscote - my ds was the other way round to your child.
He did Y1 overseas not in English, and returned to UK in year 2. Was very slow to catch up, poorly on sats. He is now year 6 and heading for level 6.

Do you think the school will give me a bonus/prize for giving them a child who makes their statistics look so good?

For the KS1 stats, which level is recorded, their teacher assessment or their test? dd1 got a 4c in maths in the test, but not in her teacher assessment. Can't imagine she will get the progress required from 4c in year 6

It used to be said that kids who had a secure L5 at end of y6 should be on track for A/A* at GCSEs & A-levels.

I think all L6 means is that the kid has more leeway for hormonal disruptions and delays not to scupper their final marks. It's a cushion, not much more.

For the KS1 stats, which level is recorded, their teacher assessment or their test? dd1 got a 4c in maths in the test, but not in her teacher assessment. Can't imagine she will get the progress required from 4c in year 6

I'm pretty sure you can't get a 4c in the KS1 Maths test.

spaniel yes the progression matrices show 2a/b/c but the point is they all have the same target of Level 4 at the end of KS2 to show "expected progress"

was told she scored a 4c.
teacher assessment was 3a

steppemum if your DD scored 4c in a test at Year 2, it wasn't the Year 2 test, as that only goes up to 3. If she is a high achiever, they might have put a Year 3 or 4 optional SAT paper in front of her to see how she did. However, these would only be to inform teacher assessment, and won't be recorded as her 'official' score.

It's teacher assessment only reported at KS1. Sounds like they used a KS2 test to aid their assessment. If she scraped a 4 on a test and the rest if her classwork was a strong 3a then it sounds like the right level was awarded. It is possible to be assessed as a 4 at KS1 though.

Yes, Feenie, that's true. However, even if Steppe's daughter was teacher assessed at L4 in Year 2, she will still show Outstanding progress by achieving 6C in Year 6, as her progress will be measured from her official 3B on the test.

Does Raise only go from 3B then? Because the 'official' TA reported centrally would still be a 4 in that case. Does Raise not recognise a 4 at all?

Sorry KingscoteStaff but that's incorrect if a child is teacher assessed as level 4 at the end of Y2 that is their official KS1 result.

I took Kingscote to mean Raise would still read it as a 3B, because yes, the 4 would stand as the official TA as you say, mrz.

My ds 1 now year 11 (scored A* in recent GCSE maths mocks) was assessed at level 4 at the end of key stage 1. I believe he was assessed using the key stage 2 SAT paper that year. He achieved level 5 by the end of year 3. There was no level 6 assessment available when he was in year 6 and pupils were only scored up to level 5.

I would expect pupils achieving grade 6 in year 6 to be most likely to achieve A or A* in their GCSE.

I work in key stage 1 and you can often spot strong mathematical thinkers early on. They don't always achieve level 3 at the end of key stage 2. Sometimes it can be down to their understanding of maths language especially for children whose first language is not English.

He could have been teacher assessed as a 6 - the tests disappeared in 2002 for a while, but teacher assessment, which is supposed to have equal weighting, never went away.

Surely you mean they don't always achieve a 3 at the end of KS1, Hatice?

marking place to show DH later

Hatice, something similar happened to my son years ago. In year 2 he was given the year 6 sats paper of the time and scraped enough points to be a level 5! However he obviously wasnt a true level 5 as it was possible in those days to get enough points without having to even have covered some of the work eg ratios, percentages etc.

As a teacher of course I was able to interpret the nonsense, but it would have been very misleading for non teaching parents to told their child was level 5 aged 7.

mrz let me get this right. If a child is teacher assessed at Level 4 in Year 2, then it is absolutely impossible for a school to show outstanding (16+ points) progress as a Year 6 child cannot achieve a Level 7C?

Is it impossible for a Y6 child to achieve level 7 KingscoteStaff ? What about those children who achieve GCSE passes at a younger age?

Oh I know it is in real life, Mrz, but is it possible in the strange twisted world of Raise Online?

i thought, although I may be wrong, that at KS1 it is teacher assessment that is recorded on raise but at KS2 it is test results ( apart from writing which is teacher assessment!) So, no, it would be impossible for a level 7 to be recorded in year 6 because there is no official level 7 test in ks2 ( but give us a few years and we will no doubt be expected to get 10% to level 7 )

yes, just checked our raiseonline report, KS1 is teacher assessment, ks2 is test score

Very interesting discussion. Thanks

Feenie yes sorry you are right I meant to say they don't always attain a level 3 at the end of Key stage 1.