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what are PTAs supposed to do and can the HT do this?

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sashangel · 12/01/2014 16:51

Sorry for waffling.

I went to my first PTA meeting on Thursday night and I am very confused and not sure what they are supposed to do.

We started by discussing how much money had been raised and where the money had come from. We were given a simple break down on paper and a total in the bank. At this point the chairperson (a teacher from the school) said that the head teacher had something to say.
He told us that he had taken £3000 to "shore up the school finaces as it is getting to the end of the year and it is a struggle with all the teachers that have been off sick but he hasn't used it yet". He also advised us that he is having an Internet safety week due to some circumstances that had arisen and is going to cost £450.
During the walk home from the meeting I suddenly realised what he had said. He was telling us that he had taken £3000 to pay for cover teachers.
I have spoken to the parent who is the vice chair the next day and he said that he thought that that is what he said but knew nothing about it and is going to bring it up with the chair.

My question is...can the head do this? My understanding of what the PTA fundraise for is extra stuff such as the Internet safety week or to subsidise school trips etc not to pay for staff sickeness or to subsidise the school budget. Should he not have to formally ask and provide a reason why he needs the money?

The problem is that all of the main people of the PTA are school related (teachers, TA, school staff, governors etc) apart from the vice chair who I said earlier knew nothing about it. They seemed to defer to anything that he said. They also taked about what they had discussed/agreed in the staff meeting.

I am thinking about putting myself down as treasurer but I don't know what that entails.

Does anyone have any advice?

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TalkinPeace · 17/01/2014 13:25

sash
Golly, are they not members.
Hmmm.
How do they get public liability insurance for events then?
Or fidelity insurance for named trustees at the Charity Commission.
I'd get that sorted PDQ

(am an accountant and was a PTA treasurer for 6 years by the way)

sashangel · 17/01/2014 13:49

Nope. I do know that they pay for insurance from the accounts I have seen.

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reddidi · 17/01/2014 14:34

"I have found out that it is a charity but not sure what that actually means."

It means that the head, the treasurer and anyone else involved in this may have committed a criminal offence. And it (probably) means that everyone on the committee is a trustee with a legal duty to ensure that things are managed properly otherwise they may be held personally liable.

It's a good job the misappropriated funds have now been returned, and you sound like you are headed in the right direction to get things sorted out - lots of free informaiton on the PTA-UK site, but worth paying the low cost of membership for.

steppemum · 18/01/2014 17:08

good for you sasha, really pleased that someone is stepping up to the mark. You may find as you sort things that some of the other parents are more willing to take things on. In my experience people back off when they don't like something but aren't brave enough to step up and complain.

TheDoctrineOf2014 · 19/01/2014 17:47

Well done OPyou have already made a difference!

Sparklymommy · 19/01/2014 18:04

I am the secretary for a "friends of" committee for my children's dance school. We run in the same way as a PTA.

No way would we have given over £3000 for business costs like this. It is wrong, wrong, wrong! And it sounds as though the ht knows he was in the wrong if he has given the money back. Well done OP for challenging him!

cowmop · 19/01/2014 18:15

I'm the chair of the PTFA at my children's school, and have to say I wouldn't want any official role in a PTA run as you describe. This is mainly because of the potential come back. All PTA's now have to be a registered charity and as such the officials are held legally responsible for the PTA and have to sign to say as much. |It's just too big a risk at the moment in your situation.

On the spending POV we receive a wish list from the deputy head from any of the teachers, they are considered and voted on and funds either allocated or we agree and start fund raising. We are lucky to be well supported by staff in terms of help at events, but apart from the teacher representative the PTFA is parents and friends.

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