6 year old on stage 13 ORT books please help me understand

[ABAmummy]

Hi all

My son who is 6 and year 1 is on stage 13 reading I have no idea what this means, he bought home a stage 16 book home and it did not seem very difficult for him.

can anyone please explain the stages to me please

TIA

You didn't ask that though.

You can ask his teacher what nc level he's working at.

I think the comments are that you could have just googled it. Rather than not-very-stealthy-at-all stealth boast.

www.readingchest.co.uk/book-bands

Age 8-9.

HTH

Thanks JakeBullet, you give a lot of hope to parents who have children who struggle with reading, my other son has SEN so its lovely to hear and fills me with hope

You can put up posts and get nice replies but if there's a hint of stealth boast, incongruence, or people think you could JGI (just google it) then you're likely to get short shrift. There's lots of posts that attest to this!

If you had come on and said what is the reading age for ORT levels 13 to 16 then I suspect you'd have got a straightforward answer.

Actually finding out info on KS2 book bands is quite hard - at least so I've found, perhaps as many schools stop at Lime (level 11) and also getting parity between the reading schemes is harder too. One source I've found says ORT bands 12 & 13 = working towards NC level 4 (reading age 10+), ORT 13 & 14 = towards & within NC level 4 (reading age 10 - 11), 15 & 16 = with level 4 (11+ years) but elsewhere I've seen ORT level 16 as NC level 5.

Of course the NC levels assume all of the high level skills of understanding and analysing the text, not just the ability to read the words.

I don't honestly think that anyone can give you an idea of his true reading level though as we don't know what his comprehension is like.

Does he understand what he reads? Does he read other books (non reading scheme) books?

My DC school only go up to stage 11.

Has the school given you his NC Level? That would give you a good idea.

Another well done to Jake's DS

yes maybe I should have asked my question in a different way. I wasn't meaning to sound boastful.

Here's a link:

english.hias.hants.gov.uk/pluginfile.php/3806/mod_resource/content/1/Bookband%20Colours%20-%20June%202013.doc

I think ORT follow the same brown, grey, blue and red colours as Pearsons Bug Club, although with two numerical levels to each colour.

Don't feel bad. But start to think outside the "stages". Once they can read fluently then it's building the other skills that counts. It's similar in music. They learn to play the notes, but then they learn to interpret them and communicate beyond the notes. The higher level skills are harder and richer, and develop through experience with life as well as experience with books and reading. I would opt out of the levels game and get into the richness of literature. .

Boasting is second only to wondering if your DC is gifted (unless they are profoundly gifted i.e. minimum 4 years ahead of their chronological age) in the MNs primary & gifted board's big book of unforgivable sins .

The difference between level 12 to 16 is not so much in the individual words, it's in the complexity and subtlety of the plots & subplots etc. It's a bit sad if your DS's school isn't celebrating his achievement with you - unless it's the norm?!?!?

Actually I think everyone is being a bit mean with their replies here. Firstly OP should be proud of her DC, aren't we all proud of our DC's achievements? The problem is that you just can't talk about these achievements in the playground, so people come to anonymous places like MN to offload. So what if it's a bit of a boast/stealth boast? And it can be hard to know how best to support a child that is achieving highly particularly if the school are not giving much information away to OP.
OP it sounds like your DC is reading very well, and I presume the school would not have moved on to a level 13 book if he was only decoding not reading and understanding. In Year 1 your DC may well be the only child in the class at that level, indeed there may only be a small handful reading at that level in year 2. DS is in year 1 too and my approach has been to get the school reading book done so he can read something he finds more interesting. I'm trying to encourage him to try to read silently sometimes and make sure he has lots of different reading material- non-fiction, chapter books and even children's newspapers like First News. We spend a lot of time talking about what he has read. My DS enjoys reading Beast Quest now, which I think is a similarish level. He needs to work on expression- he knows what it is and can do it but just doesn't want to. I think he gets a bit self-conscious! I've found Horrid Henry quite good for encouraging expression as there is lots of dialogue and drama.

He's probably one of the better children at reading in his class. Level 13 is better than levels 1-12,I think.

Ooh OP, do you not know that all MNetters who have children who are doing better than average should know exactly what all the levels mean and never ever mention them for fear of people thinking they're boasting?

stage 13 is very good, well done to your DS, DS's school only go to level 12 then they are 'free readers,' they aim to get children to that point by about end of year 2, beginning of year 3, according to this primary school's website that's about 2a/3c, but obviously there's more to NC levels than just being able to read the book.

Which reading scheme books are being sent home? Stage 16 in one scheme is very, very different from stage 16 in another. If we are talking about PM books as someone suggested that would be a reading age of 6.5 ish, whereas stage 16 ORT would be a RA of 11ish.

The title of the thread says ORT

Wow OP, sounds like your DS is doing really well. I hope no one minds me asking, but this has made me think. DD is on level6/7 ORT, orange band. I have Googled, but can't see what reading age that is? I'd be grateful if anyone can tell me, as the NC levels baffle me!

notaddicted,

open your browser
type www.google.co.uk in the search bar
in the search field put

orange ORT book bands reading age

press return

If you don't get the info you require then give up. Reading schemes are too complicated.

As a teacher I think the system can be complex and as parents have become more knowledge and either googled or MN-ed they can become even more confused/worried. I do get a little frustrated with parents telling me their child is a level 2B reader because they can "read" gold band books, and I now need to give them 2A books, but the child can't understand what they are decoding. There is a difference between a child decoding a book band book at level X and being a level X reader and some parents do get very bogged down in book band level, despite explanatory leaflets, notes in reading logs and information evenings because that is what everyone talks about as being the measure of a "good" reader in the playground.

Well quite, my child can read Enigma logs straight off Colossus. We're still working on the comprehension angle. But I'm sure we'll get there in the end.

Notaddictedtosugar orange is roughly equal to a RA of 6.5 years

Blimey columngollum, did you get out of bed the wrong side today or something? Out of interest I did type that into Google. I got an Oxford Owl website, Reading Chest, followed by a couple of Netmums threads come up. While I don't doubt that they contained the information I wanted, what I didn't get was the direct reply to my question that I got from mrz, (thanks mrsz!) I am sure many of the questions asked on MN could be answered by Google, but strangely people sometimes just want to ask other people instead. Is that OK with you?

I have 2 grandsons.Dgs1 is 7.4 and reading a mixture of what school call free readers, lime and white level books-all fluently so I would guess at the top end of average for his age [yr2].
Dgs2 is 4.ll and romping through green level books.He seems able to read most things he tries with little difficulty.I think he is a little above average for Reception.
But... we have two happy, healthy little boys who love school and love playing outside and that is what really matters.Their mum read The Railway Children at 6 and was reading fluently at 3,5 but she is now a normal, happy healthy woman with a decent degree and a good job-no mind blowing wunderkind.

columngollum I wouldn't be at all surprised if "Coded Messages from Colossus" was a Biff and Chip book.

Well, there's a magic key in it. But I don't think it's quite the same!

Is it this one columngollum?