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Primary teachers or anybody else, what ability/level is this maths?

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LynetteScavo · 04/12/2013 18:13

Q1) Billy collected 25 conkers on Monday and 11 on tuesday but lost 3/4 of the total on his way to school on Wednesday through a hole in his bag. When he arrived at school how many conkers did Billy have left?

Q2) There are 25 ppils in the class, 3/5 of the pupilssupport Coventry, 1/5 support Manchester United, the remainder support Arsenal. How many pupils support each team?

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enderwoman · 04/12/2013 18:21

My dd is in y6 and has been doing similar work in her SATs booster group. She's currently a 5c and could do those easily so a mid to high level 4 question?

spanieleyes · 04/12/2013 18:34

Calculating non unitary fractional parts is level 5.

mammadiggingdeep · 04/12/2013 18:38

These are prob level 5 questions but think children at a solid 4 could be attempting them in class...

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LynetteScavo · 04/12/2013 18:46

This is DD's homework and she is lower ability Y4 (so probably working at 3a).

DD could do each part of the question OK, but the whole problem seemed to overwhelm her. I wasn't sure if it was her dyslexia, or the maths ability.

I had to read Q7. several times;

Q7 The local shop marlally sells Mars bars for 40 pence. The shopkeeper says if I buy 3 I can have them for 1/4 less than the normal price. How much can I buy 3 Mars bars for?

I think the teacher means how much would 3 Mars Bars cost? I had to read the question three times before I understood.

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LynetteScavo · 04/12/2013 18:47

Meant to type 3c.

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juniper9 · 04/12/2013 18:53

They're not level 3 questions

LadyEnglefield · 04/12/2013 18:53

My DDs (Y3) have been doing similar questions recently and they were graded 3c/3b at the beginning of this term

mammadiggingdeep · 04/12/2013 18:54

Goodness me! Do you think she got given the wrong sheet? That's not suitable for 3c! At year 4 they would be the top group questions...

mammadiggingdeep · 04/12/2013 18:57

Finding a fifth of 25 is quite straight forward (q2) but its the 'bits' and context to it that might challenge a level 3 mathematician. Q7 is just not a low level 3 question IMO

mammadiggingdeep · 04/12/2013 18:58

Looking at question 2 I'd say a level 4 question

gloriafloria · 04/12/2013 19:06

These are similar to my dd's homework this week. Yr 4 higher abilitiy group. They always seem to have a sheet with fraction questions on each week.

Hulababy · 04/12/2013 19:07

Level 4
Harder fractions would be level 5

bigbuttons · 04/12/2013 19:12

Hmm, yes I would say level 4, top end most likely

MirandaWest · 04/12/2013 19:14

I'll try them on DS later - he's working probably at a medium to high level 4.
Might try DD who's working at some sort of level 3.

LadyEnglefield · 04/12/2013 19:15

Mamma

Just showed Q2 to both DDs and they each did it in about 2 mins.

They recently had homework questions like "There are 30 children in a class, 3/5 have blue eyes, 2/6 have brown eyes. How many have green eyes?" and had no problems with them.

They are in Y3 at a 'good' state primary and as I said in my pp they are level 3c/3b.

mammadiggingdeep · 04/12/2013 19:22

That's great. I'm comparing them to year 6 questions (running booster at mo), the type you describe are more like level 4 questions. If your dd's are solving them independently and confidently that's brilliant. They're doing really well!

LadyEnglefield · 04/12/2013 19:25

Thanks Mamma.

I also think that they just "get" fractions.

mammadiggingdeep · 04/12/2013 19:28

Yes- are they good at times tables? I find pupils who can 'see' that there's 5 x5 in 25 can find fifths quickly and these type of questions 'click' quicker once shown to them.

LadyEnglefield · 04/12/2013 19:37

Actually, it's strange because they weren't that quick in learning their tables but it's beginning to make sense now.

educatingarti · 04/12/2013 19:59

Those questions look really familiar. They are harder versions of some that were put on the TES resources website by a teacher. I have the easier ones labelled as year 5 ( but higher level year 5) . I'd agree with those placing these at high level 4, start of level 5.

MirandaWest · 04/12/2013 20:21

Just asked DD and with a little guidance she was fine. Suspect she might have been ok on her own but we were doing them orally and needed to go quickly as it's time to get DS from cubs :)

MirandaWest · 04/12/2013 20:56

Asked DS as well and he did them easily (apart from making a daft mistake on the last one). I'd say some sort of level 4.

simpson · 04/12/2013 21:18

DD (yr4) gets stuff like this. He is a 4B.

Littleroobe · 04/12/2013 23:16

You will find this is a yr 4 end of year objective so will be taught to level 3,4 and 5s if you have them in the class. However applying it to word problems with more than 1 step at this time in the year is a little harsh.
The objective is in fact;
Find fractions of numbers, quantities or shapes (e.g. 1/5 of 30 plums, 3/8 of a 6 by 4 rectangle)

juniper9 · 05/12/2013 17:55

Loubelles, word problems are a skill within themselves. It's about identifying the operation and ignoring the unnecessary content.

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