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Please can you tell me what these NC levels mean?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 09:43

My ds is an older child in year 2. I suspect he is underachieving but want to know how bad it is first before I worry/put in a plan of action.

B Squared NC Best fit

Literacy:
Reading - Level 1C
Writing - Level 1C

Maths:
Number - Level 1B
Shape, Space and Measurement - 1C
Data Handling - 1
Using and Applying - 1

Science - P8
Geography - P7
History - P6
Art - P7
PE - P4
Music - P4
RE - P6

Many thanks

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FamiliesShareGerms · 26/10/2013 09:50

This is a helpful decryption and table of expected levels

FamiliesShareGerms · 26/10/2013 09:50

description, even!

StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 09:55

Thank you. That is very helpful.

How likely is it he will be on level 2 for all of these subjects by the end of the academic year then?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 09:57

How are the levels worked out anyway.

He has a P4 for music yet I would say that this was his most competent subject, playing 2 instruments, attending an orchestra and one of the better children in a Glee Choir.

Is there something that is measured in music that would bring down his scores so much that is missing from his involvement in music as mentioned above?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 10:44

bump?

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NewNameforNewTerm · 26/10/2013 10:49

Your child may get to a level 2 by the end of year 2 in literacy and numeracy. I set targets that are 3 or 4 sublevels (and sometimes 5+ sublevels) above their entry level. However it does really depend on the child, so I delay setting targets until I've worked with the children for about half a term. Some children really take off in year 2 and everything clicks into place, they develop maturity and understand how to work. Others have barriers to achieving three sublevels and then we have to work out how to overcome these.
I would be concerned about all the other subjects if the P stands for P Scales levels. I'd be querying why they are so low compared to literacy and numeracy.

curlew · 26/10/2013 10:50

"Science - P8
Geography - P7
History - P6
Art - P7
PE - P4
Music - P4
RE - P6"

Have you been given any guidance about these? They aren't NC levels- are they schools specific grades?

It looks as if he needs to make 3 sub levels of progress in literacy and 2/3 sub levels in maths to hit the 2s- which is a pretty big ask by June, to be honest.

StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 10:52

Yes, they stand for P scales.

Thank you so much for your help. I am meeting with the school after half term so will ask some questions.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 10:53

The school uses a system called B Squared which breaks up the NC levels a bit more into smaller sized criteria I believe.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 10:54

What is the highest P scale you can get?

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Snargaluff · 26/10/2013 10:54

I'd be interested to know why he's on a low p level for pE, music etc but at a level 1 for maths and English. I would really push for some school intervention

curlew · 26/10/2013 10:55

Oh, sorry, I didn't think they could stand for P scales because of the discrepancy between them and his maths/literacy scores.

It looks very odd- I would be asking for detailed explanations.

Snargaluff · 26/10/2013 10:55

It goes P1-P8

StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 10:55

He has the same teacher for music and PE.

That is MY explanation anyway.

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NewNameforNewTerm · 26/10/2013 10:55

Have a look at https://orderline.education.gov.uk/gempdf/1445950839/P_scales_level%20descriptors_2009.pdf this Starlight. It is a document that has the level descriptors for the P Scale levels.

NewNameforNewTerm · 26/10/2013 10:56

Oh dear, link fail! Try again
P SCALES

StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 10:58

Thanks Curlew.

Do you think I could do it by June if I HE?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 11:00

Brilliant NewName, I'll have a proper look through that.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 11:01

sorry, and thank you Blush

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NewNameforNewTerm · 26/10/2013 11:07

No problem. Yes, it may be possible to get to a 2C if you HE. It does depend on what skills and knowledge your child has acquired to be awarded the 1C and against what criteria. Does the school use APP. You will need to follow a very careful programme using precision teaching to fill the gaps, rather than just follow a child interest driven curriculum. There are several good catch up programmes available. Have a look at Dancing Bears for phonics / reading and Apples and Pears for spelling.

StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 11:09

Do you mean in all subjects Newname or are you talking about specifically numeracy and literacy?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 11:11

I'm thinking to possibly HE to the end of the year and then find another school perhaps!?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 26/10/2013 11:13

I realise I would have to use targeted teaching of the areas of difficulty rather than bake cakes all day (though happy to do rl transference exercises).

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strruglingoldteach · 26/10/2013 11:13

The music level sounds very strange for someone who plays two instruments and is in a choir. Do the school know that he does those things? How often does he have music lessons at school? If it's only a half hour per week, it may be that he just hasn't shown his abilities to them.

The literacy and numeracy are low for year 2, so yes, he has a long way to go to reach expected levels for the end of Y2. However, I would try to focus more on his progress- make sure you know exactly what the next steps are so that you can work with him at home. For instance, with his reading- is he confident with phonics including sounds like 'ee' and 'ch'? Can he sound out and blend new words?

NewNameforNewTerm · 26/10/2013 11:14

Sorry, headache brain this morning after sleeping in too long. I was just talking literacy and numeracy. There are some good things out their for science as well, but more found by googling "science at home". I use some of kids national geographic stuff and various American websites when looking for fun, but relevant things to do with my year 2 class.

Some Local Authorities have KS1 (and other) schemes of work on their websites that may help with the foundation (i.e. not English, Maths or Science) subjects. If you are HE they may help with how you pitch the level of the work to achieve a level 2 and give ideas.