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Children in England start school too young.

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Kendodd · 22/07/2013 12:04

Or so I think at least.

And not just me

Why won't the government raise the school starting age? Research seems to say it would benefit children, and it certainly doesn't seem to do children in other countries any harm. Instead they want to introduce testing for five year olds 'so we can compete with Finland (where they enter school at seven, after one year of pre-school)and China' They claim to be skint, they could just rename reception and Y1 'pre-school' make it voluntary, pre-school teachers are cheap, primary school teachers are expensive, so a whole heap of money is saved as well.

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mrz · 25/07/2013 11:32

I think you have a very one dimensional image of what happens in reception and Y1

mam29 · 25/07/2013 12:34

I think whats particuarly damaging about uk system is the its so target driven.

From end of r -parents informed with me was grade letter with new one its emerging, exceeding or expecting.

The new proposed national tests for 4-5year olds.

year 1-dd1 first year to do phonics test which made kids feel like complete failure.

end year 1 nc grades with report and your child is this level and this i sguidsheet telling you your childs behind or ahead.

Then year 2 you have sat and nc levels

whee you get told child must have made 3sublevels progrees between years 1 and 2.

that this is what they should have got.
then i read mumsnet and all the little darlings are free readers and level 3s or that receptions are levels 2 makes me think as parent ohh should i be worried.

Then theres the whole well if they dont get level 3 at year 2 sats then they probably wont get level 5 and 6 in year 2.
I theydont get 5-6 then chances are they wont get a* and a s at gcse they now doomed their whol lifes mapped out for them and each year.

in science.literacy, and numarcay they expected to make so much progress each year and hit the magic required level like they robots.

Maybe if we had no testing and levels until year 3 and just did play/some of above subjects but lkess formal way kids and parents be lot happier.

I know i maybe picked the wrong school but even reception towards end of year had set tables.

year 1 had tables by ability groups
year 2 did too.

even wuth new school their was ability groups for phonics, guided reading and other things.

In old school every child knew every other childs reading levels

the obsession with levels made me and dd1 miserable and felt like we failing.

Yes she struggled with reading but came from a home with lots of books and where we read to her lots. she attended fulltime nursery as i worked, then preschool , achived above average r scores but still struggled only now shes gaining her confidence and self esteem hoping juniors wont be too formal and pushy get the balance right.

We live in afflunet leafy suberurb lots good schools but yet to meet many who could read pres starting school or taught themselves just 2/45 in dd1s reception year.

I dont think dd1s not bright she has so many other skills sports/art she could have shone at but schools never focussed on those.
Its just she a late bloomer shes much more ready now at 7.5 to engage in formal learning then she was at start of year 1.

I do thing about future as only 4more years left in primary and wonder what sensiors would suit her but right now have o idea how she be academically in year 5/6.So much could change as they say on sports news theres still everything to play for.

Freinds daughters july born and been above academically since year 1 oddly shes not bragged about year 2grades yet diffrent school now thankfully as that was one very overcompetative spoilt child and shes covinced her childs sucess whole school life is set now she was ahead infants. I know kids catch up wonder if they also hit learning blocks and as they go through juniors their dob less relevent and evens out a bit.

Kendodd · 25/07/2013 13:32

I think you have a very one dimensional image of what happens in reception and Y1 in what way?

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mrz · 25/07/2013 14:36

You seem to think that reception is all about sitting down learning to read and write ...fortunately this is far from the truth, learning in the early years of school is about following children's interests and providing experiences accordingly. Many of our European colleagues are jealous of the gentle start in the UK compared to countries with a latter start.

FormaLurka · 25/07/2013 18:45

When DC1 started Reception I was surprised how little literacy and numeracy they did. Mums with experience of other schools told me that this was typical for Year R. So, being a pushy supportive parent I did about 20min academic'stuff' with DC1 after school.

As you can imagine, I am a bit Hmm at all those who complain that there is too much emphasis on learning at theirs.

Kendodd · 25/07/2013 19:01

You seem to think that reception is all about sitting down learning to read and write

I know that isn't al about learning to read and write.

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mrz · 25/07/2013 19:13

In fact learning to read and write is a small fraction of the school day

Kendodd · 25/07/2013 19:43

Yes, I know.

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CouthyMow · 27/07/2013 13:18

My DD wasn't ready for school when she should have started FT - she has moderate LD's and other issues. She should have started FT in the January (she is 15, they took 3 intakes then), at 4y9m, but I was able to delay it until the Easter when she was 5y1m.

DS1 (now 11) was MORE than ready, he should have started FT after Easter, but he went FT in the January at 4y8m. He could have happily started at 4y5m in the September though.

DS2 started at 4y10m, and he still wasn't ready.

DS3 will be 4y8m when he starts FT. Don't think he will be ready either. Don't think the school will he ready for him too! (He has Autism, hyperactivity 'with a high probability of ADHD', multiple life-threatening allergies, hypermobility syndrome and speech delay. And may not be potty trained either...)

I do a lot of sensory play with the DC's, yesterday even the toddler helped to make his own bouncy ball, we bake, we sing, all the DC's know Makaton to communicate with DS3, we have water fights, we play in the park, we make obstacle courses.

Yes, I'm a disabled lone parent that is on benefits, but my DC's still get taught lots at home. My DS1 was having a budgeting lesson yesterday, and the day before he learnt how to use polyfilla to fill holes. We also yesterday researched the length of the Thames river, as he wanted to know how long it was...

Just because I was a teen mum and am now a LP on benefits, doesn't mean that I don't teach my DC's stuff at home!

JemimaMuddledUp · 27/07/2013 13:35

In Wales we have the Foundation Phase Curriculum, with Learning through Play until the end of Year 2 (aged 7). The curriculum was heavily influenced by the Finnish model.

However as Wales also apparently has low standards in reading and writing in comparison to the rest of the UK and Europe they have now introduced statutory testing from 7 upwards Sad

Kendodd · 27/07/2013 14:26

Wales also apparently has low standards in reading and writing

Is that when they leave school or is it when tested at 7, 11, or some other age?

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junkfoodaddict · 28/07/2013 20:55

I think starting school at 4 is fine - as long as it is very play based and practical with lots of outdoor learning until children are 6 and is compulsory and funded. I have experienced a lot of children who are delayed by up to 2 years due to poor parenting whether that is through pure selfish neglect or ignorance. By insisting children start compulsory education from the age of 4 (or dare I say the age of 3) means that we have some chance of trying to rectify 'damage' and closing the gaps in children's learning.

I have worked in a Y1 class and it was very play based, folowing on from Reception. However, by the summer term many children were ready for more 'formal' based learning to take place. There were a few children who could have needed another term or more learning through play and to try and give 100% of what every child would need would put an impossible burden on the education system; you would end up 'streaming' children from the age of 6!

You have to draw a line somewhere. But I do agree that it is crazy for politicians to think that by being a the worlds' best at educating our young means to start formally educating them at such a young age. It goes against everything we know in terms of child development.

Meglet · 28/07/2013 21:04

DD turns 5 in September. She was ready to go to primary school last year at 4.11, we have had a miserable 12 months. I have struggled with her as she needed more formal education than I can give her, nursery have been great but can only do so much.

I think if anyone had said I was going to have another year with her then they'd be welcome to deal with her, my nerves were shot a long time ago.

In an ideal world children who are ready could start early and children who need more time at home could postpone for another year.

jejswa · 31/07/2013 03:24

Excuse me for intruding when I potentially have missed the point but I'm from Australia and so our EY classes have different names. From what I understand one of the biggest issues with the system in the UK is that there is no option to repeat a year level without a child being labelled as having some kind of learning difficulty. Our son is repeating Prep ( The first year of school where they begin teaching children to read after they go to Kindergarten which is more play based learning) he was amongst the younger children in his class, 5.4, but certainly not the youngest. I don't think he "started too early" but he would have struggled throughout his schooling if we had put him up to year 1. He learnt things the first time around and when he realised he "knew" things the other children didn't know the second year it gave him the confidence he needed to do the things he was being asked to do.
I tried to teach him letters and numbers before he started school but he wasn't remotely interested, he could read Lego instructions however and could handle a spanner and screwdriver with confidence (unfortunately for our household furniture).
In Australia (Victoria) children must start school by the year they turn 6, and cannot start before they are 4 and three quarters.

anitasmall · 01/08/2013 19:14

Kendodd,

I agree with you, partially. It is early to start reading and writing for some children, but not for everybody. However it is not always good for a 4-5 year olds to be able to read tv adds, articles, instructions how to switch on things... I was in a cafe with my daughter today. She was pointing at a man and showed me the today's news: parents tortured their son.

olibeansmummy · 02/08/2013 21:39

Well I can assure you that ds (4.2) would disagree with you. He's more than ready for school now and he's only just 4, not even a sept birthday. He hated his last term of nursery (private not school) as he'd outgrown it and was must upset that they, 'don't even do maths' ( they did colours, shapes, numbers etc he meant adding and subtracting etc).

RiversideMum · 03/08/2013 07:17

It all depends on individual schools and teachers. But a good EY setting will allow all children to be supported at their own pace with "academic" things. In my experience, some children are more than ready for reading and writing when they enter reception. In my class, I usually have 1-2 who can already read. Others may not get there til later in the summer term. This is not always or necessarily age-related.

I do think it is a shame - and I guess this is a funding-related thing as well as being linked with the launch of EYFS - that "playgroups" have disappeared.

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Btfly · 22/10/2013 23:57

I completely disagree with you... According to me the best part of UK Primary education system for kids is to be able to start school when they are 4 years

Btfly · 22/10/2013 23:59

I completely disagree with you... It is ridiculuous...
According to me the best part of UK Primary education system for kids is to be able to start school when they are 4 years old...

If you think it is too early, why do not you choose home schooling?

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