Does anyone think phonics teaching has any harmful effects?

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I am happy to be persuaded either way but would be and would be interested to hear all views. Am thinking about dd and whether phonics has worked for her.
DD is 7, reads very well and comprehends what she is reading on the whole. She passed the Y1 phonics test getting the magic 32 so many children got. However, she's a poor speller to the extent that an Ed Psych has suggested testing for dyslexia. I'd like to do some more spelling work with her over the summer holidays. Today I did a bit of the Alpha to Omega placement test with her. She spelt crash as 'Krash' and chip as 'thip.' I let her do the next words 'splash' and 'thrush'. She spelt these correctly. With chip, I think she knew there were 'th', 'sh' and 'ch' to choose from and just picked one of them.
The above and other incidences make me wonder. Does phonics stop a child trusting their instincts? In her case, I think she is not considering how a word looks to help her spell it. She will always fall back on a phonetic spelling unless she already knows the spelling. If school had focussed more on rote learning, regular and rigorous spelling tests, would she spell better. At the moment they're all still ploughing through phonics because the failures have to re-take this year. But there are no expectations re spelling, barely any spelling tests, no words given to learn. And dd is the type that will only do the work if school have set it.
I'm just wondering where to go from here. Thanks for reading.

Or do you now wish to pretend that there's something in the way you learned to read that makes you incapable of basic courtesies?

And there you go again and again. Apparently, I am incapable of understanding or responding to simple posts. Whereas you are, presumably, a paragon of virtue and clarity. When will you understand that you are the pot calling my kettle black?

malenky oh...I think your experiences could be helpful in terms of explaining what some children and adults might find difficult with regard to reading and writing.

I am angry with you because you are being dismissive.

and my non psychic 5 year old pupil managed to use that knowledge to write "magnificent creatures" in her independent writing today without having to memorise the words first or any spelling lists/tests or help from me.

Where are your basic courtesies to me, Malenky? It's pretty low to accuse others of bad behaviour that you indulge in yourself.

I came into this acknowledging I might well be wrong, and I was polite.

You haven't afforded me the same courtesy, and you seem angry when I have contested basic points.

Does it not occur to you you might be wrong too? The evidence does seem to suggest you aren't very literate, so it's hardly rocket science, is it?

I always forget how to spell psychic...except just then I did it first time! Ironic, huh.

And if you think I am saying the same things as learnandsay and daftdame, you have not read my posts carefully enough. I am neither the same person nor do I have the same opinions.

And my cat just scratched supercalifragilisticexpialidocious in her cat lit tray. Ain't it great?!

Is there a banging heads together (as my mother would say) emoticon?

Has it not occurred to you that whilst you have been unwavering in your opinions, I have been willing to alter mine to agree that maybe naming letters is not so important for very young children, after all? Where have you shown any ability to change your opinion or try to see things from someone else's perspective? All you've done is vigorously disagree with anyone who holds a different opinion from your own, which I was fine with until you started attacking me personally as though I was everyone who had ever annoyed you.

You seem to be so riled that you are now deliberately interpreting everything I have posted as belligerent and aggressive, whereas all I have done is continue to question what I still don't understand. I'm sorry if my continued failure to understand what you mean is annoying for you, but I can't help that - you don't have to interpret that as me not being very literate (and since I have an Oxford law degree, I think it's a bit wide of the mark).

ps that post was, obviously, addressed, to Malenky!

I haven't been unwavering, rabbit. I suggest you read my actual posts.

I'm not riled, just saddened by the level of bigotry and ignorance.

Btw, bless you and your Oxford law degree.

I suggest, Malenky, you read my actual posts, then. And you do not come across as saddened in your posts, you come across as angry and deliberately offensive. It is not a saddened, polite person who says to someone else on an internet forum: "The evidence does seem to suggest you aren't very literate, so it's hardly rocket science, is it?"

MRZ -- Thanks for the explanation. I'm still confused, though. Do you not call this curly thing by any name? Or do you show a shape (on the write board or in a book or whatever) and say "this shape makes the sound /k/ in cat and car and cake"?
And then, on another day, say "this shape -- which makes the sound /k/ in cat and car and cake, also makes the sound /s/ in ceiling and cereal".
And, on another day, say "this shape - which makes the sound /k/ in cat and car and cake and also makes the sound /s/ in ceiling and cereal, makes the sound /ch/ in cello"?
And if a child has difficulty writing the C shape, does she say "Miss MRZ, could you please show me how to make that shape that makes the sound /k/ in cat and /s/ in cereal and /ch/ in cello?"

Wouldn't it be easier to call this shape by its name and then use that name as the reference when you want to explain the sounds associated with it?

At least I'm honest that I'm angry with you.

mrz - how do you teach children to write the letter c? Is it in context and if not, what do you call it when you show them how to write it? Or do you just get them to copy it out as a shape?

rabbit, that phrase did come after one of your cronies told me that, as a result of my 'difficulties', I shouldn't post here at all! I think if you didn't mean to discriminate, you'd have said so. You can perhaps understand me gently pointing out hypocrisy, in that context.

Or do you think it's not really worth speaking out against anyone telling dyslexics to shut up?

just your last post made me giggle, the bit about 'this curly thing' sounds like something off 'Black Adder'! .

I can see you're angry. I've seen that response my whole life. First they patronize, they then get angry, then they deny it, and eventually they realize that they've shown their true colours. It is very normal, and very depressing.

Malenky - there you go again. What cronies? I don't have any cronies. I never told you not to post on here.

Read my posts. Try to understand my posts. Then you will follow.

Malenky - I've seen people like you before, too. First you patronise, then you get angry, then you patronise deliberately, then you start accusing people of having cronies and saying things they didn't say. It isn't normal, but it is depressing.