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Should I correct DD's phonetic spelling?

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ArabellaBeaumaris · 26/05/2013 19:38

Dd in reception, writing danst (danced), bounst (bounced), prinses (princess) etc. should I correct or leave it?

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mrz · 28/05/2013 17:55

You might appreciate this learnandsay

www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2012/03/24/149160526/shakespeares-accent-how-did-the-bard-really-sound?sc=tw&cc=share

apologies for slight detour

Mashabell · 29/05/2013 11:30

I agree with Mrz that pronouncing
^moderator, advisor, accelerator, actor, bachelor, author, competitor, debtor, conveyor, councillor, editor, traitor, visitor, warrior ...
with a schwa as the final sound is correct.^

And if schwa -er endings were all spelt -er, learning to spell them would be much easier.
This is one of the many possible simple modifications to English spelling which would make learning to spell much less of a chore than it currently is. They could all be allowed to have alternatives, like advisor/adviser already has.

mrz · 29/05/2013 11:36

but do you say moderat er advis er act er ? I don't no more than I say auth or visit or

learnandsay · 29/05/2013 13:34

But that may simply be because you don't speak properly.

mrz · 29/05/2013 13:35

does that apply to the majority of people in the UK learnandsay?

learnandsay · 29/05/2013 13:40

Doubtless I'd have to criticise each person individually.

mrz · 29/05/2013 13:42

The phonemic representation from the OED "mɒdəreɪtə"

listen to the final sound É™

www.teachingenglish.org.uk/activities/phonemic-chart

learnandsay · 29/05/2013 13:43

representation of what?

mrz · 29/05/2013 13:44

arghh!

the sound is represented in UK English by a symbol that looks like an upside down "e"

learnandsay · 29/05/2013 13:49

I'm not disputing that. What I'm disputing is whether or not right speaking people stress the |o| in proctor (and vector) and they certainly do.

mrz · 29/05/2013 13:51

If you follow the link learnandsay you can listen to how the sound is pronounced and it isn't /or/ and it isn't /er/ (unless you speak US English?)

daftdame · 29/05/2013 13:52

Who owns language? Use-sage is king I say....I like having a 'living' language.

mrz · 29/05/2013 13:54

It seems that "right speaking people" do not stress the /o/ only pretentious people

oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/vector
oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/sector
oald8.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/dictionary/actor

daftdame · 29/05/2013 13:56

learnandsay you would luuuuurrrrvvvve Chaucer!!!!!!!

daftdame · 29/05/2013 13:59

No translations allowed...^

mrz · 29/05/2013 14:00

daftdame you might like the link to "Shakespeare's Accent: How Did The Bard Really Sound?"

www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2012/03/24/149160526/shakespeares-accent-how-did-the-bard-really-sound?sc=tw&cc=share

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daftdame · 29/05/2013 14:01

I think some luvvies might actually stress the /o/ in actor...

mrz · 29/05/2013 14:04

Chaucer

www.vmi.edu/fswebs.aspx?tid=34099&id=34249

mrz · 29/05/2013 14:06

as I said "pretentious"

daftdame · 29/05/2013 14:08

Smile seems to make it more accessible somehow..although I've always loved Shakespeare.

daftdame · 29/05/2013 14:10

and Chaucer Grin

mrz · 29/05/2013 14:10

I love Shakespeare too after all it was accessible as it was the popular entertainment of the day

daftdame · 29/05/2013 14:12

snigger just thinking about Chaucer!

Sorry besides the point.

daftdame · 29/05/2013 14:24

This is interesting, even our Queen is less posh!?

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1080228.stm

learnandsay · 29/05/2013 14:31

Very amusing. And what's happened to the BBC English of the 1950s?