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Why does 'get squiggling' use 'aye, bee, cee' and alphablocks use 'ah, buh, kuh' ?

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peanutbuttersarnies · 15/05/2013 09:14

Is it cos get squiggling isn't using the correct sounds as per the Phonics ? I have no idea, cos my eldest is only 3. But he is starting to be interested in letters. And I have been trying to tell him the alphablock type sounds. But then get squiggling comes on and confuses the situation!

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mrz · 15/05/2013 19:46

JollyOrangeGiant what have capitals got to do with sounds and letter names ?

mrz · 15/05/2013 19:59

learnandsay I am not making up anything ... as suggested earlier try looking up acronym ... RSPCA is not a word!

You can make an utterance such as a sceem or a moan and they aren't words either.

"So the closer vowels are to each other, the more likely that is to make one of them say their name?"

As you know Euphemia vowel proximity has nothing to do with the sound represented by a spelling ...think about head and bread and soup and laugh and bear and friend and because and chief and hundreds of other words learnandsay Hmm

they aren't exceptions just alternative spellings often based on word origins.

learnandsay · 15/05/2013 20:17

Don't tell me, tell the dictionary compilers. At the moment that is the definition of a word.

mrz · 15/05/2013 20:23

learnandsay it is you who has the problem not the dictionary compilers

From 4 separate dictionaries

Word-
A single distinct meaningful element of speech or writing, used with others (or sometimes alone) to form a sentence and typically shown...

Word -
A sound or a combination of sounds, or its representation in writing or printing, that symbolizes and communicates a meaning and may consist of a single morpheme or of a combination of morphemes.

word
[wurd] Show IPA
noun

a unit of language, consisting of one or more spoken sounds or their written representation, that functions as a principal carrier of meaning

noun

a single distinct meaningful element of speech or writing, used with others (or sometimes alone) to form a sentence and typically shown with a space on either side when written or printed:

learnandsay · 15/05/2013 20:29

They look fine to me.

mrz · 15/05/2013 20:38

and none of the definitions of word would apply to RSPCA, UN or TFL ...

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mrz · 15/05/2013 20:40

learnandsay has a rather unique view of reading and spelling Euphemia

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learnandsay · 15/05/2013 20:42

and why would they not apply?

IWipeArses · 15/05/2013 20:44

steppemum, apart from koi, or poi.

nannyof3 · 15/05/2013 20:46

Its ah, bue, kuh at nursery/skool

mrz · 15/05/2013 20:51

Because R.S.P.C.A. represents separate words and is said as a series of initials not as a word on the other hand N.A.S. A is a said as a word using the sounds represented by the letters.

learnandsay · 15/05/2013 20:58

That's not what your definitions are saying. Your definitions are pointing to a single distinct meaningful element of speech or writing, a sound or a combination of sounds, or its representation in writing

TFL, RSPCA, NFL are exactly that and they have commonly understood meanings too. Other interpretations of them are still true too. But they do not negate the qualities listed above.

mrz · 15/05/2013 21:01

It is exactly what the definitions are saying learnandsay

BooksandaCuppa · 15/05/2013 21:03

The pronoun 'I' is a word where the letter says its name...

(And is always capitalised - try having to remind year 7s...in a grammar school...everyday...you will soon lose the will to live.)

mrz · 15/05/2013 21:04

RSPCA UN and TFL can not be said as a single distinct unit of speech RSPCS has five separate units, UN has two separate units and TFL has three NASA can be said as a single unit and is therefore a word/acronym whereas your three examples are not words.

learnandsay · 15/05/2013 21:05

OK, so you can't understand your own dictionary definitions. Maybe you could think a little bit about how a [spoken] series of initials is
a combination of sounds, which is in one of your definitions of a word.

mrz · 15/05/2013 21:08

Letters don't say anything ... people speak letters are just symbols.

mrz · 15/05/2013 21:11

I can understand perfectly well learnandsay but it appears you can't.

RSPCA is said as Arr, Ess, Pee, See, Ay 5 separate units of speech not one single unit therefore not a word. UN is said as Yoo En two separate units of sound therefore not a word NASA is said exactly as it is written therefore a word.

learnandsay · 15/05/2013 21:13

From your definition:

"a combination of sounds"

how would you get one of those without speaking?

learnandsay · 15/05/2013 21:15

two separate units of sound therefore not a word

syllables are units of sound so, donkey is not a word either according to that interpretation!

mrz · 15/05/2013 21:17

Perhaps you would like to take that up with Oxford English dictionary compilers as you suggested I do.

mrz · 15/05/2013 21:19

syllables do not carry meaning in isolation only when combined to make a word ...

learnandsay · 15/05/2013 21:19

Why would I? I'm perfectly happy for words to have separate units of sound in them. The longest place name in Welsh has got plenty of units of sound in it (believe me, I can say it!) But I'm not denying its right to be called a word on that account.

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