Split digraph/magic E

[ItsIcyOutsideIThinkINeedThorin]

Are there any split digraphs other than 'magic E' or are they one and the same?

a-e as in name
e-e as in theme
i-e as in tide
o-e as in robe
u-e as in cute

What about i-e as in pristine?

I don't know. Is there an ie word where the ie sound makes ee?

mrs, your examples are all what I'd call magic E, I think? Apart from u-e, I suppose. (I know that the concept of magic e is out of date, btw, it just works for me. Do all split digraphs end in e?

I think you could say cute was just cut with a magic e on it.

In pristine and sardine the letter represents the "ee" sound and the sound "n" they look like a split digraph but aren't

mrz complains that lots of magic e-s don't work, like some, come and what have you. But It doesn't so much concern me about the ones that don't work, more the ones that do. I find split digraphs necessary when the digraph is inside the word like soles. There you can't use a magic-e description because it clearly isn't one.

the letter isn't magic ...it is just a squiggle on a page not supernatural at all magic e doesn't exist learnandsay

I was thinking that cute wasn't really magic e because then it would be coot rather than cyoot.

Thanks for your input, everyone!

Interesting, but isn't the y sound just one of the possible features when putting c and u together?

cucumber
cube
cute

but not

cupboard
cuff
curry

try u-e as in tune, tube, rule, plume, etc

In pristine and sardine the letter represents the "ee" sound and the sound "n" they look like a split digraph but aren't

How not, mrz? There are loads of words where ie makes an ee sound, so why can't it still represent the ee sound where the i and e are split by a consenant?

Sorry if my question is a bit silly but why do you say magic e does not work with come, some - would that be a split digraph of o-e. My DS in reception and I the ones with silent "e"s at the end I am finding difficult to explain.

I don't say it doesn't work with come and some I say it doesn't exist

It doesn't have to represent the "ee" sound because the "ee" sound is already represented by the letter cecily in those examples

So are you saying we would still pronounce sardine and pristine the same way if they were spelt sardin and pristin?

In the same way that in some and come represents the sound "u" and the sound "m" cecily

So the girls' names Martine, Justine and Cecile, would be pronounced the same way without the final 'e'. That can't be right, can it?

Martine, Justine and Cecile are all French spellings

As far as I am aware, these are the usual spelling for these names in the English speaking world.

Yes Cecily but the origins of the names and the spellings are French

So? They are hardly obscure French spellings, as surely they follow the exact same pattern as Christine, Pauline and Geraldine.

they would as they are all French forms

So assuming that they are names of French origin, adopted by the English, and in some cases became very popular, you have not really answered my question as at 14.58.

Cecily the names have French spellings so dropping the final letter would be to change the word just as you wouldn't drop the in khaki or jodhpurs which are also common words in English but originating from India