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Is your school giving level 6 SATS to some year 6 children?

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CheesyWellingtons · 15/05/2012 22:54

A friend's school is doing this - asking the brightest children to sit level six as well as the normal SATS. Not sure whether I think it a good idea or not - it seems to put them under a lot of pressure.

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Scholes34 · 18/05/2012 10:45

Same at our school. A boy in DS's class is pretty amazing at everything and would do a level 6 paper with no problem at all. However, it's now party time in Year 6 for the rest of the term so no level 6 papers! As we said to DS yesterday, he's learnt all he needs to at primary school now.

simbo · 18/05/2012 14:23

That's absolutely the right way to look at it. Good luck to all those who are doing the extra papers next week.

IndigoBell · 18/05/2012 14:32

Someone asked what our kids got at the end of Y2 - my DS is sitting the L6 paper in reading and maths. I'm not sure that he'll pass though (particularly reading)

At end of Y2 he was a level 2 across the board.
At end of Y4 he was a 3 across the board.

Good things happened over the last two years :)

bizzey · 18/05/2012 14:34

Scholes34....lovely way to look at .. I still dont know if my ds is doing it "officially" or if the teacher is going to download it and let some do it for "fun" just to see what there score might of been !! Spoke to HT who said class teacher hadn't decided and made me out to be a pushy mum ,even though as parents evening I was told he would do (L5a since sept).

I just want to know if it is all over and we can celebrate now !!!

UnnamedFemaleProtagonist · 18/05/2012 14:42

DD is hoping she can sit it in year 6. She is a secure level 5 now in year 5 (only in literacy and reading). I hope she can sit it too.

Iamnotminterested · 18/05/2012 15:48

bizzey My DD's school is definitely NOT letting some sit it for fun; I guess it varies from school to school regarding how they are approaching the L6.

Who knows, next year it might be scrapped, or Mr. Gove may insist that ALL L3 children at KS1 must be L6

kim147 · 18/05/2012 15:57

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UnnamedFemaleProtagonist · 18/05/2012 16:03

I'm doing maths GCSE at the mo and have really struggled with nth term .

Voidka · 18/05/2012 16:06

DS is doing the Level 6 maths paper on Monday/Tuesday. His teacher an I agreed that literacy was not achievable for him.

Only the children in the top 25% of the class for both subjects are doing them, so the children who have scored well in all the mock papers.

bizzey · 18/05/2012 16:22

Sorry when I said for "fun" I meant doing the paper ,but none of them have been registered therefore it would not be recorded against them or the school if that makes sense I did not mean it as to have a laugh.

Iamnotminterested · 18/05/2012 16:26

Voidka Do you mind me asking what level the top 25% are working at for reading? As a rough estimate, and AFAIK, there are 8% of DD's year doing the reading paper.

Iamnotminterested · 18/05/2012 16:28

bizzey No, I know what you mean by "fun", you meant more as a give it a go as a practice; unfortunately DD's school do not share that view.

bizzey · 18/05/2012 16:32

Sorry another question...If they do or don't do L6 do they then do it at the end of yr7 or is this a primary school option test only ??

Maybe this has been explained in other threads I have been following but I was only concentrating on the ones we have just done AND I have a goldfish memory !!

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simbo · 18/05/2012 17:27

Afaik bizzey, this is just a primary school school test, an extension paper for the more able children for whom the L3-5 tests do not show their full ability.

Feenie · 18/05/2012 17:58

It's a test for children working at level 6, who previously (post 2002) could only be teacher assessed at level 6 and not tested.

bizzey · 18/05/2012 18:11

By jove ...I think I have got it now !!! Thank you for your replies !!

Voidka · 18/05/2012 19:57

Well DS got between 89% and 100% on his last 6 practice papers Iamnotminterested, which I think gives him a 5A. Mst of the children that are doing the L6 maths paper are similar according to DS.

I dont know about literacy, but DS says less people are doing that.

thejubileeline · 18/05/2012 23:28

Interesting about the idea that all level 3 kids might get to level 6. Gove talks cr*p a lot from the sounds of it and I don't know enough to have a clue whether that would be a good idea. But I do wonder whether the expectation for brighter children should be more sublevels/ levels in a shorter time than the 'expected'/ average amount because some children have the ability to learn faster.

startail · 18/05/2012 23:49

Seems DD2 is doing both, school communication at is usual excellent level

DeWe · 19/05/2012 00:22

I think Tony Blair is the one you can give credit for wanting the vast majority above average. I heard him say in a parliamentary debate that he wanted 75% of children to be above average. Rather worryingly no one challenged him on that.

Obviously he means he wants the bottom 25% to fail so badly he pulls down the mean of the total

somerandom · 19/05/2012 09:21

About a third of the children in DS' year - state primary - are being put in for L6 Maths. They have been taught at this level for this academic year by the HT in a separate group - luckily there were enough of them at the same level to warrant this. He's enjoyed being stretched and is pleased to be taking the L6 test.

Some of the children are also being put in for L6 Reading & Writing but they are only being told on Monday who will be doing this.

I only know this through DS - parents haven't had any communication about it from the school.

I'm pleased they have been doing the level 6 work in Maths because it's helped him maintain his enthusiasm for the subject - he's always loved it but in years 3 & 4 there didn't seem to be any progression and he got bored.

simbo · 19/05/2012 10:49

Sounds familiar.
I'm a bit confused about the reading and writing. Our ht said that as far as she could remember she had to enter them for maths and "english", which meant that they had to sit both reading and writing, even though she didn't actually want to enter them for writing per se. Can anyone elucidate?

teacherwith2kids · 19/05/2012 10:55

somerandom,

I'm in agreement with you about the maths - although DS's school are pretty good about not focussing too much on SATs, the existence of the Level 6 test has meant that those most able children have had something to really get their teeth into and aspire to this year. They would have been taught the Level 6 objectives anyway, because that was what was needed to move them on, but the extra focus this year has made DS much more 'sparkly' about Maths than he might otherwise have been.

Writing.... well, as I've said, he must have come on in leaps and bounds to even think of being put in for it as it's not been his strongest suit in the past (2A at the end of Year 2). However if he really is at that level (they only entered level 6 or borderline 5A / 6s from their everyday class work for the papers) then the school deserves the credit that being able to report Level 6 gives them, as they have worked their socks off to bring his writing on.

IndigoBell · 19/05/2012 10:55

Simbo - that's the same worrying thing my DS said yesterday.

That he's doing both reading and writing on Tues.

Now, There is absolutely no way he's a level 6 in writing. So am really wondering why they have entered him.

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