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Prediction levels yr 2

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Kardashianw · 19/10/2011 17:20

Hi all
I went to my sons parents evening yesterday and was told that by the end of the year he would be predicted
Reading 2a
Maths 2b
Writing 2c
Not sure how this balances out for him. But I was wondering looking at these predictions can anyone predict what he would get by the time he leaves Year 6. Does any major changes happen during the juniour years were it will have an affect on his end results.
I am asking because I would like him to go for grammar school and sit the exams for them.
I'm just wondering if he wOuld be capable in sitting them?

Thanks

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IndigoBell · 19/10/2011 17:33

Far too early to say whether or not he's grammar school material, because yes kids change massively between beginning of Y2 and beginning of Y6.

However, to actually answer your question, if he gets 2s in Y2 he is predicted 4s in Y6, which wouldn't normally be good enough for a grammar school.

But the thing is, there is no way to say whether or not he will get 4s.......

Those results are average for Y2, and grammar schools wants kids who are above average.

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Kardashianw · 19/10/2011 17:39

Yes I did think that they wanted above average kids. But I suppose I have enough time to prep him. His cousin was also average and with some tutoring and nurturing she managed to get into grammar school and now is doing gcse's an predicted all "A". But I knew she was "average" at year 4 so if my son is average now at year 2 then hopefully there is some hope for him lol x

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Kardashianw · 19/10/2011 17:41

Ps he was below waaaaayyyyy below average in year 1!!

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snowball3 · 19/10/2011 17:43

I have to say, all the children in my class who passed their 11+ this year had at least one level 3 in KS1 SATs but not necessarily for all 3. ( Actually level 3 in maths seems a greater predictor of 11+ success than any other!.
Disclaimer - this is not a scientific survey, just comparing KS1 results with 11+ success over the last couple of years)

IndigoBell · 19/10/2011 17:48

I have also read that KS1 maths levels is the best predictor for KS2 results....

HangingGarden · 19/10/2011 18:07

I think it may be helpful if you knew what was/is the basis for these predictions. Is it his current level? His assessment at the end of year 1, the start of year 1 or even his Reception EYFS assessment?
Whatever the basis, its a bit early to predict his KS2 level surely?

Iamnotminterested · 19/10/2011 18:14

Indigobell Really? Well, that's my DD1 bucking the trend then!

DH is a High school Head and he says that the thing they deem to be more important than anything else is a child's writing ability.

Iamnotminterested · 19/10/2011 18:20

To add, she SHOULD be a 4a/5c in maths at the end of this year (year 6) but there is no way on God's earth she will be.

MigratingCoconuts · 19/10/2011 20:41

there's something about this thread that makes me very [hsad]

IndigoBell · 19/10/2011 20:57

MC - we're not saying the child is or isn't grammar material.

We're talking about statistics and the 'average' child - not the actual real life child of the OP.

No one can know what 1 child will or won't do.

But at the same time I think it's better for the OP to go into the whole thing with her eyes open. To answer her question honestly.

I don't know, it's years away. For all I know she might be thinking whether or not to move out of a grammar area........

Getting a L3 at KS1 does not guarantee a place at a grammar school, nor does getting a L1 preclude you from getting a place. But you're sure as hell more likely to get a place if you got a L3.

MigratingCoconuts · 19/10/2011 21:05

it just seems really very young to me....to be trying to predict the future.

I know what you are saying, I work with NC levels every day.

But it still makes me sad.

Its an emotional reaction, I know, but its almost like wishing their childhoods away.

CupOfBrownJoy · 19/10/2011 21:09

er what?

I would never predict my Yr 2 end of year levels this early in the year - and predicting his year 6 levels is laughable.

Chill out fgs!

CupOfBrownJoy · 19/10/2011 21:11

and you're prepping him for grammar school?

Hey why not sign him up for A levels now, after all its never too early to get ahead!

Fraidylady · 19/10/2011 21:13

We have to make our Y2 end of year predictions to send to county at this time of year, but I would never, ever in a million years reveal them to parents! (What humiliation that could cause - I could be sued! )

CaptainNancy · 19/10/2011 21:39

Traditional forecasting models would not suggest a large chance of gaining grammar entrance, but of course there are children that progress at different rates to those expected.

Why was he so far behind last year? Is he newly arrived to the country?

IndigoBell · 19/10/2011 21:41

CaptainNancy - he's not far behind! He's exactly bang on where he should be.

CaptainNancy · 19/10/2011 22:00

Yes- but to get into grammar school around here, you need to be 5C by Y5 tbh.

CaptainNancy · 19/10/2011 22:01

I do understand that some areas take top 20%, so I realise it may well be perfectly possble. As I said above- we don't have enough information to make the judgement really, do we?

frightstick · 19/10/2011 22:34

sorry to hijack thread - but could someone give me a quick explanation of what the levels mean. I've never heard of them .

DS1 is in year 1 and at the end of reception we just got above, within or below average.

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Kardashianw · 20/10/2011 07:56

CaptainNancy. No he was not new to the country lol what judgment to make that made me laugh!!!
I only want the best for my son and yes I a stresster. Id like my children to go to grammar school because my grammar is rubbish however there are other good schools in my area that I not knocking.
He was really behind because he couldn't really write all due to the fact of his age and being one of the youngest. He has come through miles over so I hope for sure that with some prepping he would be able may be atleast try.
It does seem I'm going on a bit and thinking way to ahead but I like to have a open mind and be realistic.

I only wanted views. Some of you need to chill out!!!

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Kardashianw · 20/10/2011 07:57

Ps you don't need to be a 5c by the end of year 5 here maybe at the end of year 6!!!!

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crazymum53 · 20/10/2011 08:08

Really it's too early to predict the levels at the end of Y6. My dd did Y6 SATs last year and there were some children who achieved level 5s who were level 2 at KS1 and others who were level 3 at KS1 who did not achieve level 5.
Also the system of assessment at the end of KS2 could have changed by the time your ds reaches Y6.
Statistically boys with August birthdays do less well in KS1 but by Y6 they have caught up.
11 + exams use a different assessment method to SATs and I remember reading threads on here about dcs who were level 5 and didn't pass the 11+ and level 4 dcs who did so please don't worry write your ds off yet.

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Kardashianw · 20/10/2011 14:30

Thank you sO much for your reply crazymum. I think you have said the best up to now. Ive not wrote him off I just wanted to be sure whether to put him through the stress an whether I can avoid it.
End of day I was best my ds coz he is all that matters x

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lovingthecoast · 20/10/2011 14:57

I think the OP was suggesting tutoring further down the line, not right now. I'm very surprised those levels have been revealed to you this early tbh. When I taught Y2, I also needed to do them by Nov but certainly never gave those results out to parents at that stage as tbh, they are more based on end of Y1 rather than current progress and many children make huge strides in Y2 & Y3 when maturity kicks in especially if they are summer babies.

I agree that the maths level is usually a good indicator of 11+ success for grammar school. However, the writing level is also very important if it's a selective independent school you're looking at.

MC, it may be an emotional subject but I don't think it's unreasonable for a parent of a 7yr old to start considering options at 11 especially in an area where there is not a natural progression to the comp. Most grammar 11+ exams are taken in Y5 so looking at a child's Y2 results and making decisions about tutoring or possible house moves is sensible as long as you don't put unnecessary pressure on the child.

ByTheWay1 · 20/10/2011 15:02

My eldest was 5c (writing) 5b (numeracy and reading) by end Y5 and didn't want to do the grammar school test - so (having an abysmal, non tiger mother) she didn't.

She puts the same efforts into secondary school work as she did primary and is thriving.

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