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What is the pupil teacher ratio supposed to be at KS1 in England?

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duffybeatmetoit · 17/09/2011 20:43

Is there an official maximum ratio? Primary school in village teaches Reception and Years 1&2 together with 1 teacher and a part-time teaching assistant. The PAN for each year is 9. Is this an acceptable ratio or should/could they have less/more pupils?

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daiawnti · 19/09/2011 18:44

They may join a 3 year old setting for ten hours a week the term after they are 3 then join a full time class in the term in which they are 4 this saves the lea money.

mrz · 19/09/2011 18:46

They are entitled to 15 hours once they are three daiawnti

HooverTheHamaBeads · 19/09/2011 19:01

Duffy is there a local pre-school in addition to the nursery, or is the nursery also a pre-school?

I'm surprised that there aren't any childminders. Have you asked at the primary school if they have any childminders on their books? What do the children of working parents do for wrap around childcare? Perhaps you could nanny share? Or even get an au pair?

I too am very sorry to hear about your daughter's accident and hope she is recovered by now.

daiawnti · 19/09/2011 19:06

No not in Wales it is 10

dikkertjedap · 19/09/2011 19:08

She is clearly much too young, so won't be admitted so there is little point in appealing. I also doubt it is in your child's interest, it is not just about developmental goals. I doubt that a child that age is socially and emotionally being able to cope with full time reception. It is already tough for quite a few four year olds. Clearly you have a difficult childcare problem, maybe you can consider a nanny or au pair if no childminder or other nursery is available and a sabbatical to look after your child is off the cards.

duffybeatmetoit · 19/09/2011 19:45

mrz the explanation I have received from Environmental Health who are leading the formal investigation is as follows:

The formal investigation looks at it from a health and safety perspective i.e. whether or not the incident is likely to reoccur. As they have judged that the likelihood of it happening again is nil there is no need to close the nursery.

Ofsted are content that as the youths responsible are not members of nursery staff, the appropriate authorities were informed after the event, and they were able to present the necessary paperwork when Ofsted visited the nursery in the aftermath there are no grounds for them to take action.

The police are prosecuting the youths but again as they are not nursery staff this wouldn't result in the nursery being closed.

hoover there is one childminder in the village who does the wrap round care but doesn't offer fulltime care.

We have visited the nearest nursery that is able to offer fulltime care and she is starting there later this week. It's 8 miles away but that was the only fulltime care available. The alternative was to travel 5 miles to a preschool and then get find a childminder in that area to do the wrap round bit which was getting very complicated. We just hope that she will settle and that our attempt to get her admitted won't prejudice the school against us when it comes to admissions for next September.

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HooverTheHamaBeads · 20/09/2011 18:19

The nursery she goes to will have no bearing on her application for the reception place so don't worry about that.

duffybeatmetoit · 29/09/2011 10:01

UPDATE: DD is at the new nursery. Other parents are talking highly of it and the staff are aware of the situation and looking out for any issues she might be having.

Due to the travel she loses at least an hour each day of the time she spends with us. Although we have been trying to sell the new nursery to her as a reward for being such a brave girl, she is upset about not being with her friends at school. We keep telling her that she will be with them next year and that she will see them at parties. She has got it into her head that she is on a large scale naughty step and so keeps apologising for getting burnt and saying that she won't do it again. The hospital psychologist is going to assist with trying to reassure her and hopefully she will come to terms with it all.

We were asked by the appeals committee if we wished to appeal again but we told them we had been advised that it was futile in the current economic climate. The refusal had made no mention of her age as a reason for refusal, it was just a lack of staff. We have since been told that the PAN has been exceeded already to accommodate the teacher's child (they arrived mid term and don't live in the catchment area) so are struggling.

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