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rebl · 07/09/2011 21:04

We've had a lot of problems (ranging from minor to extremely serious safeguarding issues) with the school dd is in last yr (reception). We even got to the point of looking round other schools but because of logistics with ds already being at a different school we didn't move her. Also she seemed happy on the whole. One of the issues to us was that certainly in reading she wasn't being pushed at all. She's reading ORT level 5 at school (after a lot of pushing) and yet reading things like Charlie and the chocolate factory, Charlottes Web etc at home. Totally understanding them and loving them. This summer she's read her way through the library and loving it. I should point out shes in a yrR/yr1 class so kept the same teacher that she had last year.

She started yr 1 yesterday and although the book sent home for reading was easy the question was a challenge, find the moral in the story. So I thought they've worked out she needs more stretching. Also, at pick up today, her teacher made a point of speaking to me to tell me that they've decided to give her a 30 min slot per week when she can speak to an adult of her choice about anything that is bothering her (she's deals with huge amounts of things at home cos of ds and school didn't support that last year which affected friendships). I came away feeling positive, that they're trying at last. But todays book is easy and there is no challenging question, there is no question at all. Just read the book basically.

Get her to bed, she seems fine. Then whilst getting ds to bed we hear stiffled crying. Go into her and shes in floods of tears. She thought she was going to learn something in yr 1 (her words not mind). She thought that she was going to learn some maths and get to do some writing and spellings. She's apparently not going to the toilet in case she misses the thing she is going to learn. But she's not learnt anything and doesn't want to go back to school again just to sit there being told what the number 28 is and how to spell "and". She has come home with a list of spellings for the whole term today. She can already spell them all. She knows her numbers, she wants to "do sums". She's not taking after me on this, believe me, sounds like an easy life to me not learning in school!

The knee jerk reaction is to go straight to the private school she's been offered a funded place at and somehow work out the travel logistics and keep up with the jones's. But the brain is sort of saying this is only day 2, of course she's not learning anything yet. But then this teacher knows dd, she should know that she can spell all these words, the books are way to easy and she knows her numbers.

So, reading all this and being emotionally detached, what would you do? Would you wait until half term, like you had decided during the holidays, see if things improve and then go into school and effectively give them until Christmas to sort it out? Or would you just cut your loses and move her now and work out the logisitics and keeping up with the jones's issues?

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IndigoBell · 08/09/2011 10:34

Rebl - I totally think you should go private. Because the current school she is is so bad that it's worth an awful lot of sacrifices to get her out.

And I don't mean bad academically.

rebl · 08/09/2011 17:22

She's told the teacher today that she finds the reading too easy. The teacher has put a note in the book to tell me that dd told her this. DD says the teacher said that they'll have to order her some different books then Hmm. I seriously doubt that is true!

DD is upset again today about maths. This is ridiculous. I've suggested that maybe she could write a little diary about her feelings everyday and then take that with her to her weekly chat. She was happy with this suggestion and I then said we could use this to learn how to write really neatly. She's very happy with that idea. I do think that the way things are presented to her is important and just saying we are going to do something isn't in her mind learning. Saying we are going to learn something is. Even if its exactly the same thing you are actually doing.

We certainly need to get to the weekend and see how things are. She is chatting with someone tomorrow in school which I hope will help in more ways than one.

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missmehalia · 08/09/2011 17:41

Oh, the irony. If the work were of the right standard for her, they wouldn't have to devote quite this amount of attention to her - well, not in the same way, anyway.

diabolo · 08/09/2011 17:41

rebl - the private option is a very attractive one, especially with a 100% bursary.

Some parents in the private sector will do anything to "keep up with the Jones", I find it best to just avoid those ones. Be yourselves and encourage DD to be the same and she'll soon settle down. Children of Primary age generally don't give a toss who has loads of money and who doesn't.

I hope you find a solution you are happy with soon.

rebl · 08/09/2011 18:51

We are also now discussing home educating her for a bit. Considering all options is what this is called! But again there are practical issues but I believe they can be overcome more easily than the issues in the current school.

Arrgghh, this is proving to be one of the hardest parts of parenting. I thought the newborn twins bit was hard but at least all that was hard about that was no sleep! This is happiness, education, so much more than no sleep for me.

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Summersoon · 08/09/2011 19:04

I do think that you should keep talking to the private school, with a view to making a decision in the coming weeks.
I would never have been able to homeed and so don't know anything about it but it strikes me that she would miss out on important social aspects of school and it could get quite lonely for her.

Chestnutx3 · 08/09/2011 19:12

Why HE? 100% bursary at a private school, how could you turn it down. I would move her immediately. A mixed class of Yr1/Reception is never going to stretch her.

Private schools have a huge range of parents. Some of them may make you feel uncomfortable but I would sacrafice that for the sake of your daughters education.

Summersoon · 08/09/2011 19:16

And some of us private school parents are actually really nice, unpretentious, supportive and fun to be with! Grin Smile Really, I am not kidding you here, I have rarely come across scary parents and they are pretty easy to avoid.

rebl · 08/09/2011 19:37

Why home ed? Because I'm starting to feel PFB over her! Because I'm feeling that its never going to work out with a school, any school. Because I know that I wouldn't have her crying over not learning.

We've had a bad experience of schooling and we question if it can ever be right. Maybe our expectations are too high. I don't know. I'm tired tonight after my 1st day in a new job and I can't think straight and my emotions are running high. She's upstairs apparently "sick" but the teacher says she said she was saying she was sick in the day and wanted to come home but was clearly not sick. She's been fine until bedtime and suddenly she's sick and doesn't want to go to school tomorrow again.

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Chestnutx3 · 08/09/2011 19:38

move her for next week - I'm serious

dolphin84 · 08/09/2011 19:51

I would go for private in your case.

sittinginthesun · 08/09/2011 20:07

I'm usually a bit of a fan of state schools but, honestly, in your position, i would move her.

You have spoken to the school over and over, and the school clearly isn't set up to deal with this situation. My DCs' school is a standard local state, but is very good at spotting where children need stretching and will act accordingly. DS1 and two of his classmates were doing phonics in Year 1 from Reception, and by ejecting they were in Year 1, they were in Year 2 for phonics and were doing Year 3 work in maths. It can be done very easily.

Im not talking about pushing, just judging the right level for each child.

I would move to the private now.

sittinginthesun · 08/09/2011 20:08

Sorry, stupid iPhone - ejection? Don't even know what I was trying to say!

wearymum200 · 08/09/2011 20:16

If it were me, I would 100% go for the private option. I agree as above that your DD is never going to be properly challenged in this environment and clearly, she needs to be challenged to be happy (I was like that too). The private school may well be able to do the pastoral stuff better too (I'm orry, other posters are clearly aware of the background, but I'm not) just because of sheer numbers. And putting DD into private school is not irrevocable, if, after a reasonable settling period, she is still not happy, then you can look again. It doesn't sound like her current school would be much of a loss.
Good luck

poppycat04 · 08/09/2011 20:59

I've been thinking about this some more.. You really should move her. The private school could see her potential... After just a couple of hours they offered you a full bursary. She has been at the local school a year and they haven't Sad
Good luck btw

iggly2 · 08/09/2011 21:09

What is the private school offering in terms of class sizes, extension work (if they do that -as some selective private schools prefer to have everybody working at the same but higher level IYKWIM). I would talk to parents at the private school if possible (bursaries are normally private matters so the school may not disclose who is/is't on one). The private school is being vry generous Envy.You and Dd do sound upset with the school, but do you ask a lot from the school? I think it is insightful when you wonder if something is phrased "you will learn this..." that your Dd is happier. Do you emphasize the importance of learning at home?

rebl · 08/09/2011 21:19

iggly2 No, I don't think we emphasize the importance of learning at home. We encourage learning when they choose to but quite honestly I've never used that language before today. I used it today because it seemed a way of appeasing her and her "I've not learnt anything today" complaint.

The private school is 7 in her year group. Feels very small to me and she's currently in a small school (22 in class - 12 yr1, 10 yrR). They mix the classes on all core subjects based on ability. Further up the primary school the highest achieving children get the specialist teachers from the secondary for the main subjects once a week.

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iggly2 · 08/09/2011 21:39

Wow, the class size is great -but are there sports opportunities with classes that small, how (financially) viable are classes that small? I often think attention time with teacher is most imortant (hopefully the teacher and pupil will get on well so child then talks more about what they would like).

I was also going to mention is there a secondary school attached for similar to what you have mentioned. It also makes it clearer what the private school gain from the bursary (your Dds grades at secondary Grin).

I was at both state and private and a poor private can be far worse (I was banned from asking questions!) than a great state.

I asked about the vocabulary side with the "I've learnt nothing today" as it is an unusual phrase for a young child. Normally it would be "I finished X,Y and Z early and stared out of window/chatted to/played with....."

rebl · 08/09/2011 21:54

I asked about the vocabulary side with the "I've learnt nothing today" as it is an unusual phrase for a young child. Normally it would be "I finished X,Y and Z early and stared out of window/chatted to/played with....."
I thought that as well but that is exactly what she's saying. She's clearly got the language from somewhere but her languarge is excellent and she often says things way above her age. I laughed the other day when we went for walk. Instead of saying she was tired like any other 5 yo would she said "When will I be able to rest my feet?" Grin. I can honestly say I have NEVER said that. I don't speak like a 70 year old!!! So I don't know where she's got it from other than she's actually just using her language / vocab in a more mature way.

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iggly2 · 08/09/2011 21:58

Ds says "You're welcome" if someone says "Thank you" to him.......and that cracks me up!
Seriously the private school sounds great

Vicky2011 · 08/09/2011 23:39

rebl is there anything about the private school that worries you? I ask because I'm struggling to see why you wouldn't have taken up the offer of 100% bursary if you feel it's a good school. Many of us will have read posts on here which show that not all private schools are any good at all so I'm really not assuming that state school = bad, private = good and we've made the decision to stick with the state sector because the pressure of the fees wld make life pretty unbearable at home. However, if someone was offering to fund DS at a good prep school - frankly, his feet wouldn't touch the ground. Assuming you do like the private school, I really think it's wrong not to allow your DD the opportunity she's been given. Sad to say (particularly given our own decision) but look at the stats for the top unis and the top jobs, this decision could be life-changing.

startail · 08/09/2011 23:48

If I had a private school nursery I'd take it.
My pretty bright DD2 is lucky there are other bright children in her class and the school have to find something for them.
In past years odd bright pupils have had a much worse time and left either for larger state schools where they didn't stand out so much or private school. One at least, I know, really had to scrip for the fees.

startail · 08/09/2011 23:49

BursaryBlush I'm logging of - autocorrect has it in for me tonightBlush

Saracen · 09/09/2011 03:19

I remember feeling as your daughter does. It went on for years, having high hopes that things would improve next year, being told to hang in there because a new teacher or moving up to a new school would make a difference. It never did. It's soul-destroying.

Your daughter has waited for a year and nothing has changed. If I were you, I wouldn't wait more than a few weeks. I'd try a different school or home educate her.

Chestnutx3 · 09/09/2011 08:34

I was bored stiff at a state primary school, really really bored and it impacted my attitude to school although I did very well academically. We are sacrificing quite a bit to send DD to one of the most academic pre-prep schools in the country, she is thriving and is never ever bored and everything is tailored to her ability as the class sizes are so small. Please phone the private school today and get her in for Monday. I was in your daughters position.

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