Year 2 times table question

[southernbelle77]

What times tables should an average ability year 2 child know by the end if the year? Just wondering how DC is doing.

"The other class teacher likes maths and focuses on this to the detriment of other things."

I can imagine. You can never have enough rainforest projects. And as for dressing up thank goodness they do it at school so that we don't have to do it at home. That would be too ghastly.

I am forgiving myself for heavy sarcasm but I'm not sure that really counts.

Mrsz I'm increasingly wondering how we disagreed about anything. Maybe I was just in a mood to abrade.

I'm sure we had playdough at home in the late 60s - I remember the smell (and that the taste didn't match it!). In '68 we went to Canada for a fwe months, and they had something called Plastigloop...and Silly Putty...

Plasticine at school in the 60s though, that's right - and clay. Clay was wonderful (smell ditto).

mrz at no playing!

There was no Reception class at my school in the early 1970s so less play, certainly, but we still played... poor old mrz.

DS didn't know any by the end of Yr 2, I don't think. Maybe 2 and 10.

This CD was good - we listened to it in the car, and it became a painless excercise.

MRZ -- sorry to deviate from the playdough discussion (!!) but I'd like to ask again about your 3-minute test. Do you test on just the 2, 5, and 10 tables or on all of them? I'm amazed 6 and 7 year olds can do 60 different times table equations in 3 minutes! Just the physical process of writing 60 answers in 3 minutes seems a challenge for that age.
I am not able to access the link to the math worksheet generator. Could you please re-post as it sounds interesting.
Thanks for your input.
(I thought my son's Y2 class was making good progress with 3-minute tests on 20 equations mixed from among 3 different times tables (changing each week.... not sure many, if any, could do 60 equations!)

I assume they just fill in the answers on a pre-printed sheet with the questions already on. It's how we used to test Y6 in a low achieving school I used to work at. Couldn't quite understand if it was 2, 5 and 10 only or they started with that and moved on to other tables.

I must have had playdough in school, because I didn't have it at home but the smell makes me nostalgic. (Oh, and classes of 40 per teacher in my day).

Back to tables: my yr2 DD has done all to 12 and is just starting doing jumbled tests.

mrz - the 2, 4, 6, 8 thing frustrates me. When I'm tutoring children in KS2, I always insist they say the whole table, but they are sometimes reluctant and think they know it if they can count up in 2's or whatever. I keep on reinforcing that they need to be able to come up with the answers really quickly. I'm teaching a year 8 boy that I started working with in year 6. We began by making sure he was totally solid on all his tables learning the "proper" way. These days he often tells me how glad he is that he knows his tables really well as it makes his current maths so much easier!

posadas the tests are "personalised" most children will be working on all the tables, some are working on 2,5 & 10 and some on individual tables

www.math-worksheets-generator.com/multiplication_facts_worksheets.html

you might also be interested in these (they are organised in year group tests )
www.andrelleducation.co.uk/BMFreebies/BMBT%20Learn%20Its%20Tests.zip

Year 2 have 40 questions to complete in 90 seconds

Thanks for the links. Very interesting and helpful saves me making up my own tests for home use. I'm still amazed by what your students do. I agree it is a sensible approach and if the children learn the tables "by heart" they should be able to complete the worksheets quickly. My son's teacher, however, does not require (encourage?) such rapid recall and I wish she would. I also wish she'd give oral tests rather than written (ie give the children blank sheets of paper numbered 1-20 and then call out the questions such as "number 1: 6x8; number 2: 5x9", etc). I can tell my son often jumps around the page answering the ones he knows and then filling in the blanks by reference to the others so the tests aren't a true test of whether he "knows" the times table but whether he can work out the answers, which is a different skill altogether. I'm glad he understands the underlying principles (often, for example, approaching something like 4x8 as 2x2x8 and then double sixteen to get 32) but I want him to have rapid recall of the 1-12 times tables so he will be able to solve more complex problems quickly in future.
I'm belabouring the point now. Very interesting to read about different approaches at different schools -- no wonder maths competence varies so much from school to school.....!

To teach tables at home, I use a pack of cards, number cards only, shuffle them and do a table at a time. eg, 6 x table. I deal the cards out quickly, and my DS has to call out the answer quickly, so 4 goes at each one. We time this and try to improve it. He enjoys it and it gets very exciting!

EllenJane -- I'm not sure I understand your game. Do you decide on a "table" (eg 6), then deal out cards # 2-10 (in random order) and your son calls out the answer of eg 6x whatever number is on the card? so if you "deal" 4, he says "24"? Then on a subsequent game you decide on another "table" and go through the numbers the same way? (I'm probably being a bit thick....).

Yes, that's it exactly, using all four suits shuffled so you get each one 4 times. You can only do it like this one table at a time. I tend to deal a 7 and say 6 x 7 for 6 x table etc. You can use aces as well if you want. Doesn't do 11 or 12.

Thank you. Sounds like a good game. I'll try it with my son. This morning I asked him to do one of the 6x table worksheets generated by the useful site MRZ posted 30 questions and timed my son. It took him just over 4 minutes!! He did get them all right, but clearly doesn't have rapid recall and is "working out" the answers. I'm very glad Southernbelle initiated this post as it's spurred me to try to do a bit of times table practice at home. The standard required at school is not very challenging (20 mixed multiplication questions in 7 minutes) and he can do them easily in that time through methods other than rapid recall. As he's very interested in maths, I want him to know his times tables so he can continue to make good progress with more advanced maths next year. Thanks for all the good tips!

My year 2 dd knows 2,3,4,5,6,7,10,11 and is expected to know all by end of this term but they started them in September.

Like the sounds of the card game and the worksheets - will try them, thanks. They have a challenge at school where they have to learn them by 2,4,6,8 etc, then 2x2, 2x3 etc then having to know them randomly. Not sure they do timed tests or not.

No idea if we had play doh or plasticise at school!!