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year2 sats.

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haribo80 · 20/05/2011 20:55

Just wondering what SAT papers are normally done in year 2. DD said she did 3 maths tests this week. Is that likely to be SATs?

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gordongrumblebum · 21/05/2011 16:07

So do the test papers really mean much?
They do mean something, as they are a formal assessment to support the teacher's assessment of classwork.

Do teachers's use them to help get a score or do they continually assess based on classwork?
Teachers continuously assess.
The level achieved on the SATs paper, should agree with the teacher's continuous assessment. If not, the teacher will need to find reasons why they don't agree, and to decide why the test result is different. The discrepancy and final reported level will propbably have to be explained to the KS manager and HT.

If your dd took a level 3 paper and performed badly, the teacher would have to look at the evidence from the year. If she is clearly a L3, then she would continue to be assessed at L3 (with an explanation of mitigating circumstances re. the test). The teacher may reassess at 2a, having had another look at the evidence.
Quite honestly, it is unusual to find that TAs and SATs results differ significantly. (In our reading scores, for instance, this has only happened in 6/53 cases. In all of these, the teacher assessment is a sub-level LOWER than the SATs test, because we are aware that not all necessary objectives have been achieved by the children in class.)

spanieleyes · 21/05/2011 16:09

The KS1 test papers are just used as one piece ( but a compulsory piece) of evidence which goes towards an overall level. If the teacher assesses your child as working comfortably within level 3 but they fail to gain sufficient marks on the L3 test to be awarded that level, the teacher will look at why, perhaps they were having an off day, maybe a cold coming on, don't like tests, etc, and judge accordingly, they won't simply assess as level 2. Similarly if your child is usually working at a level 2C but manages to scrape a level 2A on the test then they wouldn't be assessed as working at a 2A, the teacher would decide whether there might be a particular reason, guessed well, got lucky or sat next to someone much more able!

lljkk · 21/05/2011 16:17

It's only because of this thread that I even found out KS1 SATs were on this week. DS (chatterbox in other respects) didn't think it commentworthy, otherwise.

york00 · 21/05/2011 16:24

Not sure that there is a fixed date.

lovecheese · 21/05/2011 16:45

Do all schools have to use the same test papers? I know they do in year 6 but am just curious about year 2, as my DD came home one day this week and said that she had answered questions about windmills and the Netherlands - if my memory serves me correctly I vaguely remember talk about this on mumsnet in the past?

cece · 21/05/2011 16:48

This year it was either the 2007 or 2009 papers.

mrz · 21/05/2011 16:58

windmills is 2009

cece · 21/05/2011 18:39

DS1 kust done the 2007 ones, as has my school.

mrz · 21/05/2011 18:42

mine too

mungogerry · 21/05/2011 18:51

Mine mentioned Catcher (sp?) the windmill cat.

mrz · 21/05/2011 18:52

Katja

cece · 21/05/2011 18:56

In his pebble story he went to Club Penguin Land

COCKadoodledooo · 21/05/2011 19:47

So if our school hasn't mentioned them to us, does that mean our kids haven't done them? Or do all schools do them in yr2?

spanieleyes · 21/05/2011 19:51

All schools have to do them, in fact they could have done them already, you just didn't notice!

COCKadoodledooo · 21/05/2011 19:55

Am relying on a 7yo boy to tell me what goes on in school spanieleyes, just about everything passes me by! Have tried to prod, but he's said he hasn't done any tests.

Am not bothered by the results really, just curious as to why nothing's been said.

letthembe · 21/05/2011 20:02

My own school and my DDs school did the Crocodile paper this year (2007?) i think it should also be mentioned, that to achieve a Level 3, it is actually a 3b now, not scraping a 3c. So it's two sub levels above a 2a.

Feenie · 21/05/2011 20:50

It's that nationally now? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but it has always been the case in my LEA - a 3c doesn't exist in Y2!

letthembe · 21/05/2011 21:24

I think it's nationally, I have changed local authorities within the last 12 months and it has applied to both. Both in the North East.

gordongrumblebum · 21/05/2011 21:50

We report 3c in Y2, although I'm aware that L3 is recognised as 3b by raise online, so 'good' progress is L3 in Y2 to 5B in Y6.

How do you get a significant percentage of 6 and 7 year olds writing at 3B? I can just about manage 3C!

lovecheese · 21/05/2011 21:56

Cece - you mention pebble stories. Do you know what level this is? Dd mentioned this too this week, didn't realise it was a sat paper! Just thought it was a piece of creative writing they did as a year group.

gordongrumblebum · 21/05/2011 22:00

It was the long writing task from the 2007 set of tests and tasks.

Feenie · 21/05/2011 22:12

And the writing tasks are a piece of creative writing they do as a year group. The level awarded depends on the writing the child produces - so it's not like Maths and Reading, where the papers are different levels.

letthembe · 21/05/2011 22:26

so mrz what do you on level3c or level3b, (raise on line style). You seem very keen on 'the law' and procedure, that's why I ask.

rainbowinthesky · 21/05/2011 22:32

Dd has just had to write about nocturnal animals. Was this sats?

Feenie · 21/05/2011 22:35

Yes.

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