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What is exceptional?

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thecaptaincrocfamily · 15/03/2011 00:18

At parents evening dd1 was described as exceptional in literacy and I have no idea what exactly this means!

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 18/03/2011 12:17

oh - and if you've only ome across one in 20yrs of teaching either you taught at my school in the 90's...........or I went to school with another truly gifts and talented (all rounder) person.

rabbitstew · 18/03/2011 12:22

Exceptional to the teacher probably meant working at a level above the rest of the class at the moment - ie not exceptional relative to the whole population; not exceptional in a predictive sense, as in expecting her to exceed the abilities of her peers in this area for the rest of her school career; and most probably not even exceptional as in being colossally ahead of her class. I doubt, for example, the teacher meant she could probably hold her own in a class of 10 year olds at the school.

rabbitstew · 18/03/2011 12:27

I think we should stop talking about "gifted" children and start referring to them as "abnormal." Then maybe people would stop talking about it quite so much.

PixieOnaLeaf · 18/03/2011 12:29

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BaroqueAroundTheClock · 18/03/2011 13:40

Shock - rabbitstew - I went to a school full of talented students (it was a school for those people by it's very nature being a specialist music school) -

I always knew there was something a bit strange about me..........now I know - I'm abnormal Grin

(actually I'm not I'm quite good but I always wondered how I got in as everyone else around me was really really talented, and I was just "very good" Confused)

rabbitstew · 18/03/2011 13:46

I've always been abnormal Grin.

CaptainNancy · 18/03/2011 13:46

EP is used at KS3 for performance above the level of the test- I assume cory was referring to secondary schools.

BaroqueAroundTheClock · 18/03/2011 13:48

evidently I am not abnormal (or exceptional) as I'm Confused as to how someone can achieve above a level of a test........surely 100% is, well 100%......how do you know they're better than that unless they do another harder test??

rabbitstew · 18/03/2011 13:52

I can see how you can do that in English or philosophy, if you have set marks for set responses. And also, if you do acrobatics on a high wire over the heads of everyone else, or are capable of levitation.

wordfactory · 18/03/2011 14:12

The thing is we love our DC so much, they are exceptional to us...so it's very tempting to want to hear that outsiders find them equally special.

And many parents love the idea that their children's glory somehow reflects on them...as a parent of twins, I love to scupper that theory.

myredcardigan · 18/03/2011 14:56

Baroque, I've come across a few more talented children ie children with a gift in one area, usually either maths, art or music.

But the gifted child I was talking about could have coped (academically but certainly not emotionally) with university level maths by Y4. She was streets ahead in everything else too and could have read LOTR in Reception. However, her maths was trully astounding.

I'm surprised you're surprised that I've only met one child like this in 20yrs. I wouldn't have thought it was common at all.

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frantic51 · 18/03/2011 16:27

Singersgirl Sorry if I contributed to what you seem to see as some kind of "put down" it truly wasn't meant as that, but the OP did ask us what we thought was exceptional. Confused

Baroque which music school did you go to? My DC went (two still go to) Wells, which we chose because it is a specialist music school within an "ordinary" (albeit private) school. I had been to music college with the products of some of the others and found most of them to be a bit, well, odd tbh. Most of them seemed to find it difficult to relate to non musicians or even have a conversation around a pub table that wasn't about music! Hmm Anyway, we wanted them to be in a place where they could mix with non musical friends as well.

Nevertheless, I wouldn't describe two of my DC as "exceptional", musically, just "very talented". DS is exceptional (but only in music) but he is a-lazy arse-- a bit indolent. Grin

thecaptaincrocfamily · 20/03/2011 23:04

Sorry its taken me a while to catch up! Grin

Lots of comments and apologies if I miss something.

I did ask what is exceptional because I always thought it was working about 4-5 years ahead in one area. However, since reading more on multiple intelligences and looking at what the education system view as exceptional there appears to be no standard??
I was a childminder and therefore had to provide lots of activities, however I do not attribute dd1 being bright to my care. She was able to sit almost unsupported by 4 weeks, could stand up at 10 weeks on her changing mat holding my hands which was inherent. At an early age she could solve problems and had deeper thinking than most 3 year olds. For example at age 3 she made toast without me realising she had got up, which was intended to be breakfast in bed for DH and I. I have no doubt that other children could do this, but for their own breakfast, not for the parents. She had used oven gloves taking into account safety and had buttered the toast on a plate to be tidy. Logistically she had organised everything she needed before climbing onto the work top.

We have had questioning about Gods existence, how santa gets to everyone in time etc when she was 3. I was told to slow down if she felt I was driving to fast for conditions from age 2 1/2. She could add and subtract in her head age 2 without pointing.

Obviously G & T is not abnormal Grin however, nobody is normal!

I am ecstatic that she is settling in well at school and has lots of friends, has finally learned to share - her social skills were not the same as academic ability when she started. She preferred older children and was frustrated in pre-school. Now she gravitates to other very able children (new girl in the class is reading 2-3 years ahead and she and dd are really good friends atm ....but will probably change next week Grin).

I now know why I don't post much. Very much a thread where everyone tells everyone that their children have no special ability while elevating their own dc or dumbs them down to fit in.

It is truely sad that people make assumptions on parents being pushy or basking in their childs glory. I say very little these days because of these sorts of reactions. DD has been and still is withdrawn at times and this is a real worry. It has improved since she started school and we are fortunate to have an understanding teacher who at least acknowledges her high ability.

For those who say that having a head start academically and the better paid job at the end of it doesn't make you happy, I agree it isn't everything. However, life on income support is awful and money does help.

Obviously it is difficult to paint a true picture because too much info is deemed bragging and yet too little info and it makes the child sound nothing special. I might return once I get the balance right Smile

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mumoverbored · 20/03/2011 23:17

Haven't read the whole thread and this is a bit of a digression as not about anything exceptional....but ds has been doing the commenting on my speed when driving for a couple of years too and it's bloody annoying to be told how to drive by a 5 year old! Not helped by him being able to see the speedometer from the back now in our new car.

You have my sympathy. Grin

frantic51 · 20/03/2011 23:28

thecaptain I know what you mean. It is difficult to comment on such things though without talking about one's own DC.

Your DD sounds an absolute poppet and you're right to be proud of her achievements. I certainly don't think you're pushy. I would just counsel a little caution that's all because being ahead at this age doesn't always equate with better qualifications and a better job as an adult. Children develop at their own pace and each is an individual. She may continue to streak ahead of her peers or she may slow down and the others may catch up.

Just enjoy her and support her where she needs it (social skills) and make sure she is getting the stimulation she needs to stretch her where required. Don't look too far into the future and try not to let early promise lead to disappointment if it doesn't happen to come to fruition. Smile

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