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Is it ok with Reception still not having had a book yet?

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emy72 · 08/03/2011 15:58

Just wanted to know whether I should be concerned or not.

My DS1 started Reception in September and they have been doing all the phonics, sounds etc....

They still haven't had a book sent home from the reading scheme.

We did enquire back in Feb and the teacher said that they would be starting on the reading scheme mid Feb. But this hasn't happened yet.

I ended up buying some easier phonics books to get my DS1 to practise the sounds/practise reading.

He loves reading but normal books are too complex for him and he just ends up trying a couple of words and wanting me to read the rest.

He's doing ok with the phonics ones, but I just wonder whether not having had books this late on in Reception is normal/should cause me concern.

Any opinions appreciated.

PS I do have an older DD but she went to a different school in reception and had books from day 1.

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emy72 · 08/03/2011 15:59

2nd PS> nobody else in the class has had a book yet, not even a library one.

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lovecheese · 08/03/2011 18:07

Well I appreciate that every school is different etc etc but I would think not having one yet is a little - odd? Day one in my DD's school by way of comparison.

mrz · 08/03/2011 18:14

I think most children will have books if they have been in school since September (depends on when they started "teaching") having said that I disagree with sending books home on day one unless the child is already reading when they start.

bettyboop63 · 08/03/2011 19:03

what is yr ds able to read? if anything i got a set when my ds started reception of Biff chip and kipper books it had two of each colour and what was so fantastic was also had the cd to play so you can read it once and also then listen to the disc with all the noises ect added, my ds school didnt send a book home for about 4 weeks but we read together every night and still do now hes 11 he reads to me then i read another book to him b4 going to sleep(not the whole book but a chapter say)

emy72 · 08/03/2011 19:11

Bettyboop yes we read at home but my question was whether I should be worried that the school is not sending books yet...at all?

Mrz, good question, they started phonics teaching beg of January, they have done all the letter sounds and lots of other sounds like "au", "oo" etc..the problem is that my DS forgets these the following day so we've practised them loads with writing and a bit with reading.

I just find it odd that the school doesn't think they should be encouraging reading. I know a lot of parents will be doing the reading independently, but I guess I am wondering whether it's a symptom that at school not all is well.

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mrz · 08/03/2011 19:19

If they just started teaching in January they will still be focusing on blending and segmenting so some children will still be getting to grips with it. I would expect some to have books and others to be on the way.

bettyboop63 · 08/03/2011 21:34

yes i understood i was suggesting biff chip and kipper to read yourself if the school have not provided anything yet as they are the course of scholactic books all three of my DC's were given in reception , their can be numerous reasons they have not given the children books yet in my youngest sons case when he joined they were discarding a lot of the books and replacing and re cataloging them and they never at my dc's school give anyone reading books for the first few weeks anyway as they like to asses them regardless of the info pre school have given them but like mrz say's they will also be begining with the basics of phonics , are they doing Jolly phonics or ruth miskin synthetic phonics?

ChorltonChick · 08/03/2011 21:52

VERY odd imo. Our sch held a 'reading' meeting for the parents at the end of Oct once they were all settled and happy...and it's been THE focus since.

Ferguson · 08/03/2011 22:14

Hi
I would certainly have thought SOME sort of books should go home from very early on in Reception. We use ORT starter books, which have a picture 'story' but no words, so the child makes up own story or just talks about the pictures. Gets them used to taking a book home, it's non-threatening and our group of four R kids that started in January loved it! Then, as soon as they have been taught the first few sounds, they have a totally phonics series to start sounding out from: toy ants called Sam, Tam and Pip. The back of the book has a matching-game for two players using words learnt plus others derived from similar sounds. For some children I photocopy these so they can play at home. If they wish, they can still have a pictures-only book as well, to support their confidence.

If you can tactfully 'push' for books without upsetting the teacher, or getting yourself a 'reputation', I would try. It maybe that your school has some grand plan we don't know about; or maybe they just don't have many books.

skybluepearl · 08/03/2011 22:26

it's a bit odd. can you talk to the teacher again?

mathanxiety · 08/03/2011 22:32

You need to just keep on reading to him, especially rhymes, and sing songs, maybe tapping out rhythms in songs and rhymes, and not worry about what other children or other schools are doing.

Plenty of countries don't start teaching children any sort of phonics until age 5 at the earliest.

Don't push for books. The teacher probably knows what she is doing. Read to him yourself. He doesn't need more phonics if he can't remember what he has learned from one day to the next. He needs more pre-reading activities some suggestions here.

maizieD · 08/03/2011 23:24

From the link recommended by mathanxiety:

A: Learning the alphabet is one milestone that we tend to mark as an indication of a child's successful entry into the world of reading. A child who can name all 26 letters by the end of kindergarten will be equipped with an important foundational stepping stone toward recognizing sounds and printed words.

No they will not. Learning the alphabet is not at all useful for learning to read and for some children it is downright dangerous as they persist in confusing letter names with the letter sounds. It would be particularly inappropriate now that the OP's child has started learning letter/sound correspondences.

I can't believe this. Mathanxiety has spent a who thread declaiming against the early teaching of phonics but now is suggesting that very young children are taught the useless, and possibly extremely muddling, alphabet letter names.

It is important, however, to understand that at this age learning the letters is just one of many prereading skills that are important for your child to acquire. Try not to place so much emphasis on the alphabet that it takes the away from doing other things, such as simply talking to him so that he hears many different words and reading to him so that he hears and sees the beauty of written language.

In fact, forget about the alphabet all together.

When you do focus on the alphabet, make sure that your son is learning letters in meaningful ways and not just engaged in isolated memory tasks. Begin with uppercase letters, as they are easier for children to recognize.

Hmmm. Just to get them nice and confused for when they start learning phonics with lowercase letters.

<span class="italic">* Look for letters every day. Observe your child as he engages in the world around him. Does he notice particular signs and logos, such as "exit" signs, restaurant logos, and so on? Take these opportunities to point out and name letters with him. Start with the first letter of the word.</span>

Don't name the letters; just say the sounds...

<span class="italic">* I know my name. Help your child learn to identify his own name and the letters that spell it. Begin by showing him his whole name in functional ways. You might put name labels on his backpack or lunchbox or inside the covers of favorite books. Show your son his name on any mail you receive, such as doctor appointment reminders, school calendars, even junk mail.</span>

  <span class="italic">To help your child learn the letters in his name, write it slowly, saying each letter aloud as you go.</span>

No, no, no, no, no!! Don't teach letter names at all.

  <span class="italic">Magnetic learning. Once your child has a small bank of letters he can easily recognize (based on those in his name and those he can pick out from his environment), expand letter knowledge by playing with magnetic letters on the refrigerator, by writing the names of other family members and by spelling simple words, especially when your child wants to communicate something in writing. In these ways, you will be helping your child learn big ideas about reading, while learning the alphabet at the same time.</span>

Please. All this stuff is archaic and belongs in the dustbin of history.

bettyboop63 · 09/03/2011 12:39

can i agree with maizieD and disagree at the same time Confused its just that ive 3 DC and what worked for the first two didnt work at all for the third we used to do both eg as in childs name say the letter then sound out the letters to form the word the first two did jolly phonics they did fantastic with that 3rd DC couldnt grasp it at all and was very behind then changed to ruth miskin (synthetic phonics) and the DS was off going through the books like wild fire really enjoying reading which after struggling for so long was a wonderful change. why do you think (i dont know if it is or is not better now days, so not being awkward just wondering) i would have thought its a case of what works for one might not for another and we have to just try lots of different methods to find one thats right for each individual DC?

PercyPigPie · 09/03/2011 12:43

Our school is the opposite end of the spectrum and DC's teacher was quite stressy the week after Christmnas break because he wasn't reading on his own! As it happens, when I started ignoring her advice and relaxing, it all clicked with him.

I think I would be beginning to worry about no books being sent home, but I think our school's approach is a little extreme too.

PercyPigPie · 09/03/2011 12:44

'Christmas' even

Mercedes519 · 09/03/2011 12:47

It's a bit odd IMO, DS has been at school since September and started with picture books and is now reading ort books well, and gets a new one nearly every day. He also knows all the phonics etc. so can blend and segment new words so the two approaches go hand in hand.

Op, it sounds like you're doing a great job but I can appreciate it would be so much easier having a 'school' book to read as well to provide the link between school and home.

In DS's school all the parents (well all those who turned up for parents evening) were asked to sign a pledge to read with their children every school day and rewards and sanctions are being used to enforce it.

TrinityIsABunnyMunchingRhino · 09/03/2011 12:50

I guess its just down to each school, dd2 is on her 8th book
and I was so not looking forward to wordless book but they have been full of words from the start
she loves it

amidaiwish · 09/03/2011 12:56

books start coming home after october half term in reception in our school
the pace is very much child-parent led, some read a book every night, have totally "got it" and are now on ORT level 4/5

others are still on one word per page books.

yes i would be worried. there are a set of 100 words children should be able to read by end of reception (i think it is reception?)

chattysue · 09/03/2011 12:58

The children in my son's school don't have any home reading books in Reception as there is no formal reading scheme. They do phonics and play games with letters but that's it. Thank goodness for the library and a group of Mum's who book share! I understand your frustrations!

Bellbird · 09/03/2011 14:40

It may be worth asking the Reception teacher for an after school chat. I help a junior class and I can see that the school's slow and steady Early Years approach really pays off by this stage. The main issue is whether your child likes books and has plenty of exposure to them, and plenty of your loving involvement, because if they do, reading will happen eventually.

mathanxiety · 09/03/2011 18:59

OOOPS! opened the wrong link when I posted. Thank you MaizieD -- naming the letters is not the way the school will proceed (they will start with phonemes). The link I wanted doesn't come out right for some reason, so here's the pertinent information in list form. It's from the American Speech-Language Hearing Association:

  • Talk to your child and name objects, people, and events in the everyday environment.
  • Repeat your child's strings of sounds (e.g., "dadadada, bababa") and add to them. [obviously this is more useful for babies]
  • Talk to your child during daily routine activities such as bath or mealtime and respond to his or her questions.
  • Draw your child's attention to print in everyday settings such as traffic signs, store logos, and food containers.
  • Introduce new vocabulary words during holidays and special activities such as outings to the zoo, the park, and so on.
  • Engage your child in singing, rhyming games, and nursery rhymes.
  • Read picture and story books that focus on sounds, rhymes, and alliteration (words that start with the same sound, as found in Dr. Seuss books).
  • Reread your child's favorite book(s).
  • Focus your child's attention on books by pointing to words and pictures as you read.
  • Provide a variety of materials to encourage drawing and scribbling (e.g., crayons, paper, markers, finger paints).
  • Encourage your child to describe or tell a story about his/her drawing [maybe create a book with picture stories/narrative]
mathanxiety · 09/03/2011 19:06

Want to point out again, esp wrt the list of 100 words, that in many English-speaking countries no such lists exist and children are only taught phonics beginning at age 5-6, yet their schools turn out plenty of literate students (understatement)....

I also want to mention that children can learn to read in a variety of ways that are not mutually exclusive, and that what works for one may not for the next even in the same family. Rare is the school where every child is on the same page so to speak where beginning reading goes.

mrz · 09/03/2011 19:11

Let's Talk For People With Special Communication Needs this is the one isn't it mathanxiety? All of which usually occurs naturally with much younger children than the OP's child who doesn't have SEN.

mathanxiety · 09/03/2011 19:50

The list is there all right but my link had a different focus to it. (I think the problem may lie in my mouse; will keep trying to link). All the activities are helpful whether someone has 'special communication needs' or not, and for children probably up to age 5-6 too.

A child who is not recalling letter-sound correspondence from one day to the next (while not having a SEN) perhaps still needs more of the sound-related activities and more consciousness of the written word and its significance to draw him closer to grasping phonemic awareness.

mrz · 09/03/2011 20:14

Interestingly if you visited any Early Years Setting you would see staff

Talking to the children during daily routine activities such as bath or mealtime and respond to his or her questions.

  • Drawing the children's attention to print in everyday settings such as traffic signs, store logos, and food containers.
  • Introducing new vocabulary words during visits and special activities such as outings to the zoo, the park, and so on.
  • Engaging the children in singing, rhyming games, and nursery rhymes.
  • Reading picture and story books that focus on sounds, rhymes, and alliteration (words that start with the same sound, as found in Dr. Seuss books).
  • Rereading the children's favourite book(s).
  • Providing a variety of materials to encourage drawing and scribbling (e.g., crayons, paper, markers, finger paints).
  • Encouraging the children to describe or tell a story about their drawing [maybe create a book with picture stories/narrative]