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What level should my year 5 be on?

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codsworth · 14/01/2011 07:07

Just found out DS (9) is working at level 3B in maths. He's always been slightly behind so can anyone tell me where he should be at the moment? Thanks.

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randombaking · 14/01/2011 07:20

Children currently work towards getting a level 4 in their SATs in year 6. He sounds on track. If he progresses 2 sub levels this year, which is the 'norm' he should be hitting 4c by the end of the school year or 3a at the least.

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codsworth · 14/01/2011 07:30

Ok thanks, as long as he gets national average that's all I ask :)

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pozzled · 14/01/2011 07:52

Yes, 3B is fine for this stage in Year 5. IME he should be able to make about a level's progress between now and Year 6 SATs, so he should be somewhere around a 4B by then.

RupertTheBear · 14/01/2011 07:58

I would be perfectly happy with a 3b at this stage of Y5. I teach year 5 and my middle group are roughly at this level in maths now.

lovecheese · 14/01/2011 09:27

Rupert your post has just cheered me up on a miserable day. My DD, also yr5 and a bit of a struggler with maths, is also a 3B according to her teacher. Teacher implied that she would like her to be a bit further on, but as codsworth said as long as she gets the expected 4 then I am fine with that too!

RupertTheBear · 14/01/2011 09:35

My school achieves results above the national average in maths. I would expect my middle group to be working at about 3a/4c by the end of the year - there is still quite a lot of y5 to go yet. 3b at this stage is great.

PandaNot · 14/01/2011 09:38

DS sounds perfectly average to me. As others have said, this would put him on target for 4 in year 6. Why are you so concerned that he gets a 4 though? So long as my children are making good progress for them I couldn't care what level they get to. Just wondering....

seeker · 14/01/2011 09:44

I agree with everyone - but I do think it's also important to look at progress. My ds is in year 5, and he is at 4b for Maths - which I realize is very good. BUT because he was the same level at Easter last year, I will be checking with the teacher, just to make sure that he isn't resting on his laurels.

An upward trend is what you're looking for, regardless (up to a point) of what others are doing.

RupertTheBear · 14/01/2011 13:06

Completely agree seeker

I have to show every child in my class is making progress - regardless of their starting point.

lovecheese · 14/01/2011 16:52

Thinking ahead, would a SAT score of 4b put a child in middle ability sets at high school?

RupertTheBear · 14/01/2011 17:25

I guess that depends on the intake of the high school. I would have thought so though.

PurpleTygrrr · 14/01/2011 21:30

I'm also a year 5 teacher and aim for children to be a 3a in maths and reading by the end of the year and a 3b in writing by the end of the year. It usually takes 2 years to make 1 level progress, hence the sub levels. However no matter what level my pupils are at I aim for them to make 1 or 2 sub levels progress, its not about the level they're at, its about the progress they have made.

GoldenVoice · 14/01/2011 21:47

Ooh, butting in here. Could I ask a quick question of you teachers please?

My DD got 4a's at the start of Yr4. I have assumed she is on course for 5's in Yr 6. Does the '5' get broken down when reported to the High School she will be going on to, or are all those above 4 just a generic '5'?

TIA

BrigitBigKnickers · 14/01/2011 21:52

GoldenVoice The actual test only gives a straight level but the secondary school should also send teacher assessment levels which would specify the sublevels (and far more telling than the stupis tests anyway.)

BrigitBigKnickers · 14/01/2011 21:52

stupid not stupis!

BrigitBigKnickers · 14/01/2011 21:54

Ahhh sorry that should say "the secondary school should be sent teacher assessments" (from primary school)

Glass of wine has affected my typing Blush

GoldenVoice · 14/01/2011 22:18

Thanks BBK. So the school will know even if I don't?

School haven't told me about DD's levels since Yr4 - she is now in Yr 6. Is it ok to assume she is 'on target' as they have not said otherwise? I assume that as she got 3's at the end of Yr 2, they need to get her to 5's at the end of this year to show sufficient progress...

TIA

Feenie · 14/01/2011 22:40

It's a statutory requirement for SAT levels and teacher assessments to be reported to you at the end of Y6.

You can always ask about current teacher assessments at the bext parents' evening, Goldenvoice - it's not statutory for them to be reported to you, but very few schools would see this as an unreasonable request.

Feenie · 14/01/2011 22:41

next!

GoldenVoice · 14/01/2011 22:44

Thank you MN teachers Smile

I've not asked about DD's levels because I know in Yr 4 she was doing very well, and didnt want to come across all pushy. Her teachers haven't volunteered any info either, so I am assuming all is well Smile

BrigitBigKnickers · 14/01/2011 23:24

I think it depends on the school.

The primary school where my DDs went used to report both the test results and the teacher assessments all the way through from year 3 to year 6.

TBH the teacher assessments are more accurate as they give an overall picture rather than a snapshot on the day

Elle2004 · 21/05/2014 19:02

No

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TAMumof3 · 21/05/2014 19:11

Golden - if your child was 4a at end year4 you'd be expected Level6 for year six not fives. level five would be crappy progress over two years from a 4a.

Ellegirl - good for you - do you find it hard work ?

SpottieDottie · 21/05/2014 19:19

According to a teacher friend 3b is the national expectation for the end of year 4.