How those times they are a changing

[kellyegg]

During the war family stuck together including large extended families, they didn't get handouts so they got off their arses and did something about it. The relied on hand me downs for kid's clothes and were grateful if their child got any type of education and they respected the teacher that was giving the education to their child.

Cut to today

Income support
Housing benefit
Family tax credit
Child benefit
Crisis Loan
Caring allowance
Disability (for depression and bad backs)
Council; tax credit
Excuses made for every naughty behaviour of their child under the sun
When the little bleeders get in trouble the first word many parents say is not responsibility but claim. We may as well hand over the whole country to Oxfam. However credit to Cameron who has limited housing benefit in London to 400 quid a week because he thinks spongers shouldn't be living in homes that working people can only dream of affording. Well at least it'll keep the riff raff out of the nice areas.

...must be a modern one.....

...modern smiley, that is....

Well, if it had an ear, it would be out on it if I had my way.

I had lots of war time stories too emy mostly from my father who served in the RAF from 1940. My grandmothers wartime stories were quite different. I think perhaps the difference in experience is due to location.

I know, sorry I haven't got to grip with technology yet!!!

Or conversely StandingOnTheWorldAlone the people you have talked to have been very unfortunate

So, maybe it's a question of which Society would rather bear, or in what proportions: the suffering of a few innocents, or the abuse of a few spongers? Does anyone actually have the statistics on the proportions of either?

FUCK OFF.

("abuse of the system by" might be a more appropriate reference!).

Neil is that you?

StandingontheWorldAlone you are talking about exceptional cases. Making comments as sweeping and ridiculous as the OP. My mum's war experiences included being abused by the barber, being evacuated to lovely people but having her mum come and move to the country too with cousins and an auntie, exactly to 'keep the family together' and having a fling with a black GI. Which was fine becasue my nan was having a gay old time with the GI's too. And grandad was off digging dead people out of bombed buildings. On balance mum was very sad when the war ended because it meant returning to London which she loved, but had fallen in love with East Anglia and the freedoms of wartime too. It's not all black and white. (Except for mum's affairs of course.)

So, is the intention to send the population of Salford to Australia? Or send all the orphans to Salford?

I just wouldn't presume things were necessarily better 50 years ago...from my own or your or Kellyegg's experience - it merits deeper & more thorough thought than that.

Which one might be Neil, then?

I think the population of Oz are moving to Salford with the wizard

wisely said standing...

Kitty I'm not - I'm just fed up with the rose tinted view of the past that many promote - time fades the memories on both sides. Life is good now and it is bad now - the same can be said about 60 years ago. One person's experience is not enough to create is country wide truth - that was my point.

And just as wisely said sitting.

Must we accept munchkins in Salford?

What's all the sending people to Australia stuff? My uncle sent himself to Australia. £10 Pom. If Australia would have them I can think of many people who'd be rushing there right now. Why should the population of Salford have all the luck?

StandingOnTheWorldAlone I agree there were bad things 50 years ago just as there are a different set of bad things now.

They're all a bit pasty up there and need a bit of sunshine in their lives.

I like a nice pasty.