How those times they are a changing

[kellyegg]

During the war family stuck together including large extended families, they didn't get handouts so they got off their arses and did something about it. The relied on hand me downs for kid's clothes and were grateful if their child got any type of education and they respected the teacher that was giving the education to their child.

Cut to today

Income support
Housing benefit
Family tax credit
Child benefit
Crisis Loan
Caring allowance
Disability (for depression and bad backs)
Council; tax credit
Excuses made for every naughty behaviour of their child under the sun
When the little bleeders get in trouble the first word many parents say is not responsibility but claim. We may as well hand over the whole country to Oxfam. However credit to Cameron who has limited housing benefit in London to 400 quid a week because he thinks spongers shouldn't be living in homes that working people can only dream of affording. Well at least it'll keep the riff raff out of the nice areas.

Or did he write it? Perhaps on one snakebite fuelled sessions?

Is that you Dave

highly unlikely to get DLA for depression or a bad back.

Perhaps ESA, if you're lucky

"spongers shouldn't be living in homes that working people can only dream of affording"

Did you know that only one in eight housing benefit claimants are unemployed? (figures from Shelter) The rest are either pensioners, those with disabilities, people caring for a relative or working people on low incomes.

Of course, OP, you would probably call all those 'spongers', but remember you could well find yourself in one or more of those categories one day....

"but remember you could well find yourself in one or more of those categories one day...."

Rusty - don't you realise that never happens to some people and they've planned for every eventually

Perhaps you missed the news Rusty [[http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23783970-benefits-rules-to-be-changed-after-family-is-handed-pound-18million-home.do
Benefits rules to change after former asylum seeker gets £1.8million home]]

ermm that's one case.

I know lots of people that claim housing benefit, I'm the only one that's not currently working.

haha respect the teachers?

round here it was very common that wen the teacher clouted little johnny the um marched into the class and clouted the teacher back. In front of the kids.

Friends dad left school at the age of 10 to work as his dad was dead.

Backstreet abortions. Unwanted children in homes and shipped to Australia

Anyone with a disability put in asylums and never seen in public.

Oh yes the good old days - how we all long for them again

When (if) they limit the housing benefit that will be all the low paid who cant live in London - like your nursing auxiliaries, hospital porters, cleaners, waiting on staff.

That should be fun for you then.

MaMoTTaT the point is it is cases like that one that make the news and colour people's perceptions.

oh god yes nellie - I read a chilling bit in my course last year, a document recommending sending children in care to Australia in their droves, because basically it would cost too much to look after them.

I felt sick reading it, and that was only 50yrs ago

ahh - sory mrz - I thought you were backing up the idea that lots of people lived in homes like that

Sending children to Oz is not acceptable, but sending the population of say salford should not be dismissed.

"were grateful if their child got any type of education and they respected the teacher that was giving the education to their child."

Amazing isn't it? The teacher who used to physicially and psychologically torture their kids got ultimnate respect, along with the priest who was sexually abusing their kids...we really should go right back there, there was no feral kids running around back in those days. They might have been poor but at least they weren't vocal, they knew their place.

Kelly you really should be elevated within society - you are clearly a very deep and profound thinker with lots of fascinating insights we can all learn from.

From your biggest fan! xxx

From your biggest fan! xxx

Ermm join the queue

StandingOnTheWorldAlone I know that when I was a child back in the dark ages we had great respect for teachers, policemen and our parents with no physical, psychological or sexual abuse involved.

My dad reckoned that, in the 50's, many of the teachers they had were seriously traumatised by the war and that the pupils would kop alot of flack as a result of this.

I'm amazed about the amount of suffering that went on where people didn't open up about the pain they had seen in the wars ...and lived with it for the rest of their lives

I'm happy for you Mrz!

My mother was groped on the train on the way to school every day and her mother told her not to be so silly when she told her - men wouldn't behave like that towards little girls. Times change, good things get discarded along with the bad and vice versa. I personally wouldn't want to go back to the 1950s, however critical I feel of modern society (and a lot about modern society and manners makes me sick).

MaMoTTaT commented that the news report about benefit claimants and million pound homes wasn't representative I would say your impression of poor abused feral children is equally unusual

There might have been more respect for the teachers, but here is a little tale from my own grandparents.

During the war, in the area my maternal grandma lived, nobody actually went to school as children went to beg/steal/work. Children were mostly barefoot as they didn't have money for shoes.

You couldn't hang your washing out as it got stolen and people got mugged all the time. There were actually a lot of people carrying guns for their own safety.

There was a drunk father who beat his family so bad on a regular basis, that he mashed one of his children's brain to a pulp and his mum asked my grandma for refuge in her cellar as she had 7 other kids to feed and save from this man. I don't think there was much of an extended family helping out, it seems.

There were really other very horrible things happening which I won't go into.

The Germans once took all the mattresses from my grandma's house so the kids didn't have anywhere to sleep on - and the terror of my grandma knowing they could knock on her door any day and demand anything they wanted (which they did on a regular basis).

My grandma remembers giving birth to my mum in a dark cellar as bombs were devastating buildings all around and the hospital was actually bombed itself. There was no lighting available all night. When she woke up she saw my mum covered in ants from head to toe.

Rationing meant that one family (in my grandma's case 4 kids) were only entitled to one piece of black bread that was so stale and hard they had to soak in for a week to actually eat it.

They had to get the rest on the black market as my grandad, who actually was at war, was able to come back sneakily now and then and leave some money/bring food. Everything cost an arm and a leg and there were people speculating wildly and getting rich on people's basic needs, like food. There were beggars everywhere asking for food, as people were actually starving.

My father on the other hand, who was upper class, was home educated, some of his friends who did go to school went to highly exclusive private/boarding schools and they had servants/tea parties/food aplenty and other wonderful things like private piano concertos at his house by renowned musicians with flowing wine and champagne, whilst everyone else starved to death.

The good old war times aren't so rosy when you have your grandparents telling you the truth....

Obviously I'm much older that you emy

;) mrz

Sorry I spent a lot of time with my grandparents when I was little and the stories just left an impression...

maybe I should write a book?

Emy72, your smileys are very inferior.

As I said Mrz I am happy for you that you know nothing of these things - you are very fortunate and maybe lots of the older people I have spoken to have been very, very unfortunate in experiencing or knowing people who experienced abuse.....or maybe they weren't beat hard enough and never got rid of that nasty habit of lying.