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Could somebody explain this to me?

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freckledface · 22/10/2010 17:24

Please...

I know nothing about EYFS/National Curriculum/Grades or what is expected. I went to DC's parents evening last week but didn't understand a lot about the steps.
Today we got the 'steps to progress' and ds is
Reading-1c
Writing-1B
Maths-1B

Are these okay? What do they mean? What I would have loved to know is what exactly he achieved/learnt to get these grades. Is there a way to know?

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mrz · 22/10/2010 17:26

Y1?

Simbacat · 22/10/2010 17:28

How old are they?

The nc starts in y1.

freckledface · 22/10/2010 17:29

Sorry. Yes Yr 1

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mrz · 22/10/2010 17:33

They are fine for Y1

Simbacat · 22/10/2010 17:33

Ok. Did they say that they had met them or was working within them?

Basically your child is doing fine- no worries at all. Unusual for writing to be higher than reading though (that is not a problem just an observation any maybe due to how the school has assessed)

You can look on the qcda or national strategies website where it has totally too much information!

freckledface · 22/10/2010 17:37

Thank you...

It says he has achieved them but in 'reading' says 1B working towards 1C.

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ramonaquimby · 22/10/2010 17:41

1B is higher than 1C, so that must be a mix up

Simbacat · 22/10/2010 17:42

That's fine. He is doing well.

1b is higher than 1c

freckledface · 22/10/2010 17:44

I must be so confused today(just today?).

My mistake there again.

Reading is 1C working towards a 1B

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Bronte · 22/10/2010 18:06

Christ almighty..bloody levels again!! I am a primary schoolteacher who qualified in 1987, before we were hidebound by the national curriculum and levels. I sympathise with you as a parent. You don't want levels to be spouted at you but you do want to understand that the teacher knows your child by showing you evidence of their work and talking about your child's aptitude through anecdotal evidence. I have 2 daughters, 5 and 11 and I suppose, as I am a teacher I know whether they are on track. But I am not interested in pigeon holing them into a level! Children develop at different rates, they can show incredible creativity which nc levels can't ever level. This may not help you much but it might convey my opinion not to become obsessed with mind numbing 1A 's or 2c's.

freckledface · 22/10/2010 18:13

You don't want levels to be spouted at you but you do want to understand that the teacher knows your child by showing you evidence of their work and talking about your child's aptitude through anecdotal evidence.

That is exactly waht I was after!!! I would have loved to see what she has learnt and not these figures which mean 'nothing' really. And why is it only for maths,reading and writing we get 'grades' on? Are they more important than the other subjects then? Daft question maybe

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grumpyvamps · 22/10/2010 18:15

Right, my understanding is this:
Age 3.5 to 5 Early Years Foundation Stage at Nursery and/or Reception Class
Then
Key Stage 1, Years 1 and 2, aim for level 2 by end of it
Key Stage 2, Years 3 to 6, aim for level 4 by end of it
Key Stage 3, Years 7 to 9
Key Stage 4, Years 10 and 11, GCSEs
Years 12 and 13, old fashioned 6th form

Levels:
Starting at P scales (P1 to P8)
then 1c
1b
1a
2c
2b
2a
etc

Feel free to correct any mistakes.

Simbacat · 22/10/2010 18:23

No no no no no ( you may sense that I am passionate about this)

P scales do not not not go before national curriculum levels. P scales are for assessing children with sen in very specific circumstances.

Eyfs is birth to end of reception.

Bronte · 22/10/2010 18:39

Perhaps I should start a campaign against the dreaded levels! I came away from my daughter's year 1 parent's evening relatively unscathed. In fact the level word wasn't even mentioned.
I did receive a piece of paper outlining the other buzz word, "targets".
Her literacy target showed that her NQT didn't know how to use commas correctly and an incomplete sentence should have been structured as a bullet point.
Do I bring this to the Head's attention or give way to her lack of experience?
How many other young teachers coming into the profession have a poor grasp of basic grammar and punctuation?

Lydwatt · 22/10/2010 19:38

Thousands, I am sure! Its a conspiracy to corrupt our young with bad teaching Wink

Actually, my basic default position is that a teacher is an expert who knows their stuff and is working for the best for my two DC. I guess there might be some poor ones...

I came from a parent's evening where levels weren't mentioned, nor targets and the teachers seemed to have a good understanding of DD. Phew!!

grumpyvamps · 22/10/2010 20:52

Oooh simbacat that's interesting - I definitely have not had that experience. I'm going to go away and check EYFS - convinced it starts at 3.5 yrs Grin [geek emoticon]

grumpyvamps · 22/10/2010 21:05

Right, so EYFS 0 - 5, P scales for SEN purposes only!
Question: Reception class counts as EYFS so child could be in nursery longer and then join Y1, hence can't defer Reception for a year as too old for EYFS?

mrz · 22/10/2010 21:06

grumpyvamps Early Years Foundation Stage definitely starts from birth

mrz · 22/10/2010 21:07

Question: Reception class counts as EYFS so child could be in nursery longer and then join Y1, hence can't defer Reception for a year as too old for EYFS?
The ability to defer/delay reception has nothing to do with EYFS

Feenie · 22/10/2010 21:14

Indeed. And a child could be in nursery longer and still join Reception where I teach.

grumpyvamps · 23/10/2010 08:52

Can you explain a bit please? At the moment, children can stay at nursery and join Y1 rather than going into Reception, but they can't join Reception a year later (we have September intakes; my son is Summer b'day but would have had to join Y1 not YR if we had deferred his place).
Is the EYFS covered in Reception, with the Nat Curr starting at Y1? That's what I keep coming back to on the Dfes websites.

Thank you!
Am off to look at link.

mrz · 23/10/2010 12:50

grumpyvamps the ability to defer a year and enter reception rather than Y1 is down to your post code not the EYFS. A few LAs allow parents to defer a year and for children to start in reception, most won't but it is up to individual authorities.

PandaNot · 23/10/2010 13:06

Simbacat P scales do come before NC levels. They are the way of recording where children are and showing the progress they are making if they are not on Level 1. These pupils used to be given W as a level - 'working towards' level 1. It is now statutory to report them as P scale levels. However they should only be used from Y1 onwards, EYFS profile scores are used before this.

grumpyvamps · 23/10/2010 14:56

Thanks mrz. I'm slowly hijacking this thread, sorry. I think it was the clarification of compulsory school age, and the EYFS that got me confused. Now I realise that EYFS is covered in YR it is not that odd to have read an Ofsted leaflet about how some childminders would still have children of compulsory school age (rare, but can happen) and so would complete the profile. It all makes sense now!

Feenie · 23/10/2010 18:42

Not so rare - my childminder takes Reception ds to school and picks him up. She still has to complete the profile for him until he leaves Reception (he has been in her care since he was nine months). I'm sure that must be quite a common state of affairs, really.