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10 yr old, iPhone and iPad time - help

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strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:15

So we find ourselves going round in circles

Normally our 10 yr old is a happy go lucky, little bit in her own world (very little concentration which we are working with the school with) polite, good as gold but the last few months or so I've found she's becoming almost like a teenager !

She's definitely developing so we give her her own space and she's become very independent. So I think puberty has a lot to do with it.

She has a circle of 5-6 friends both boys and girls where she has joined a what's app group - well about 8 different groups ( we got her a phone in lockdown all be it a bit young in my opinion but I think she was isolated from her friends ) anyway she loves talking to them most nights so I allow her to
But we hardly see her, my fiancé thinks it's too much but I'm very much of the opinion that friends are important and let her be happy etc
However we've found content on her phone which was 'silly' is what she's explained it to me
She knows we check it and she's clued up on internet safety
The girls were dancing and lifting their tops up! I was horrified - you couldn't see anything but it was done in a strip tease kind of way
We spoke to her yesterday and she said they were all doing it so joined in
Anyway a week later - we didn't take any electronics away because we spoke to her about how serious it was and she should know better ( she was screen shotting angles of her friends ) and we've told her they could be doing the same to her and it doesn't like nice or appropriate. I didn't agree with stopping her talking/talking away however yesterday I caught her doing it again - so now we've said no phone-iPad for one week whilst she thinks about what we've said

Her friends are same age but because she's an august baby most are a lot older !

She's still asleep but when she wakes I will give her the opportunity to go on her phone to tell the girls ( there are 3 of them including her) not the other friends to say she has no phone for a week due to the behaviour/pictures and that if she's not to participate when she rejoins them in a week. If we decide a week is enough but said we will see how the week goes

Have we done the right thing?

My issue is there were a lot of different issues with this phone, mainly silly things YouTube videos etc but some more serious than others - don't want to make the post too long but hopefully it outlines it ok - but it hasn't gone in a week ago even though I sat with her and talked her through what and why it was wrong and I don't mind her having a phone to talk to her friends but it's getting a bit much.

She's quite grown up for 10 ( 11 in august) and I know children grow up quicker and it was different in our day! (I'm 39) but also dread when she gets older and we don't have this 'control' not that I'm trying to control

Please help as I feel like I'm failing and can see there is an issue with this obsession with her phone ( which isn't free rein may I add, clubs, dinner time, homework we don't just let her sit for hours but some evenings it does feel that way)

Thank you

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NoSquirrels · 18/02/2022 09:18

What exactly are the restrictions on when she can use it?

strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:26

So mornings we don't have it on. Up 730 ish, leave for school run/work 830

Home for 3:30-345 3 times a week as she has club 2 times a week.

Non club night - she baths/showers as soon as she's home, changes into pjs then at 4-5 she does 20 min reading OR times table rockstar alternating on different day ( as I found that's enough time for her concentration) usually then 'talks to the girls ' but always asks whilst I'm cooking dinner so she gets a good half hour or so....then tells them she's having dinner but can come back on.
Eat 5-6 ish depending on when fiancé is home then phone/iPad 6-7:30 ish and bed 8-80 sometimes 9 very latest. So it does vary.

Club nights we are home at 6ish, she has shower or bath then dinner and normally no time with the girls but usually 45mins - an hour or so on pc
She plays roblox but no reading/maths as one of the clubs is tutoring so I thought we had a good balance ?!

Happy for advice on if I haven't Xmas

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strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:31

But everything seems rush rush to get on the bloody phone! She's grunty with us, forgetful, on at her to get ready in morning etc but then gets into her bedroom ' hi girls ' and completely changes !
Few weeks ago taking her phone to the bathroom or if we went out like on Sunday we walked to the pub for lunch, she said what time are we home so I can tell the girls ?! So I said a few hours then what doesn't help is the girls texting saying ' where are you' ' it's been ages, missed call after missed call so obviously trying to reach her boundaries x

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Soontobe60 · 18/02/2022 09:31

I’d be contacting all the other girls parents and letting them know what they’ve all been up to. If my child was doing this I’d certainly want to know.
I’d be taking her phone off her for at least 2 weeks - you’ve already spoken to her about this but she’s chosen to continue. I’d then only allow her to use it in my presence. No taking it out, no using it in the bedroom. The trust has been broken.

TooMuchPaper · 18/02/2022 09:33

She's 10 years old and you think she 'is clued up on internet safety'. Yet she is filming herself dancing in a 'strip tease' kind of way and posting that on WhatsApp?

strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:34

@Soontobe60 thank you Just didn't know if I was being too harsh.

I thought about contacting the other parents but I think sadly my little one has instigated it
But obviously can't be too sure. She seemed like a deer in headlights when I was asking her last night and trying to play it down.

The phone never does come out with us
I thought we had a good balance but clearly not and yes the trust has been broken and interesting with the 2 weeks - I did say I will be seeing how things go the week so no reason why I can't extend

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LittleBearPad · 18/02/2022 09:35

WhatsApp is for 16 years plus. At the very least it’s not for 10 year olds.

Who knows where these photos could end up.

I would the phone away. She clearly can’t be responsible with it.

The iPad an hour a day - max

strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:36

@TooMuchPaper what I mean is, yes I thought she was ! She's done various school tutorials on this and we've had chats when we got the phone
But clearly from what I found she isn't is what I meant if I didn't make that clear
Surely that's obvious from my post of me taking the phone away and being cross at her behaviour x

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LittleBearPad · 18/02/2022 09:36

[quote strawberrysummer19]@Soontobe60 thank you Just didn't know if I was being too harsh.

I thought about contacting the other parents but I think sadly my little one has instigated it
But obviously can't be too sure. She seemed like a deer in headlights when I was asking her last night and trying to play it down.

The phone never does come out with us
I thought we had a good balance but clearly not and yes the trust has been broken and interesting with the 2 weeks - I did say I will be seeing how things go the week so no reason why I can't extend

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That’s no reason not to warn them.

strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:38

@LittleBearPad ok so I do not agree about 16 yrs old having WhatsApp - So when she goes to secondary this year are you telling me she's going to say to her friends I'm not having whatapp until in 16? I don't think so.

Anyway it's not WhatsApp that's the issue
It's her behaviour not the platform
I'm happy her talking to her friends
Just not this and also there was other silly stuff I found

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TooMuchPaper · 18/02/2022 09:39

It's not her fault that she is unable to keep herself safe on the internet. She is a young child. To be honest, you need to be cross at yourself.
However, at least now you know what the risks to her are so you can put steps in place now to mitigate anything worse happening. There are regularly threads on MN where parents have found their pre-teen children are sending nudes to randomers.

strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:41

@LittleBearPad we aren't too far off 1hr a day iPad but the phone calls with the girls is definitely too much in my opinion

Coming on here and getting views does help
I have no deiens with girls similar ages

Thing is these girls mums I don't even know
Most are school mums who I don't talk to and the other 2 girls are my daughters dads best friends daughters so I will talk to her dad about it ( they aren't the most friendliest of families let's say)

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CarbonelCat · 18/02/2022 09:42

If it's helpful my same age DD doesn't have a phone or an iPad and isn't on any thing like whatsapp etc. She had hangouts in an old phone (no SIM) during lockdowns but we took it away after. She has lots of friends and is invited to parties etc without it so it's done her no harm to be kept off it all at this age.

I would take it away and be much more careful when you reintroduce. Ensure you only allow age appropriate apps and have a rule about no message groups. Have strict parental controls and ask her not to use the camera without asking first.

HeyGirlHeyBoy · 18/02/2022 09:43

She can't be clued up really at that age. Despite knowing the facts as such, they just cannot understand the risks, the easy sharing of it, the everlasting quality of it etc. It is just not age appropriate. I think we will look back and see this was all a big mistake. Nokias with snake turned to smartphones overnight and no one questioned it (everyone, I don't mean you OP) and it's an assumed fait accompli. Locally, it is secondary school for phones but even then I know I'll hate it. You're in a difficult position now as it's been normalised. It would be great if the parents could band together and delete what's app to start but unfortunately many are just not bothered. 10yo boy here, no phone, switch on weekends only. Meanwhile I'm dripping in the privacy and risks in when I can. He's already had to block school friends who are completely different online. They just don't understand it's real world even tho it is online. Hope you can work this out OP.

strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:44

@TooMuchPaper I get that, I don't think it's her fault as she's so young and yes I agree it's my job to teach her about these things but again like I said before I did think she was savvy and knew not to do something like that! I was shocked when I heard / saw it in disbelief x

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LittleBearPad · 18/02/2022 09:45

[quote strawberrysummer19]@LittleBearPad ok so I do not agree about 16 yrs old having WhatsApp - So when she goes to secondary this year are you telling me she's going to say to her friends I'm not having whatapp until in 16? I don't think so.

Anyway it's not WhatsApp that's the issue
It's her behaviour not the platform
I'm happy her talking to her friends
Just not this and also there was other silly stuff I found

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It doesn’t matter what you think. That’s the legal age limit for WhatsApp.

Anyone can be added to WhatsApp groups. You would have no idea who she could be talking to and given she’s been taking screenshots of her friends without clothes on she’s in danger of getting herself into all sorts of trouble.

strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:48

@CarbonelCat @HeyGirlHeyBoy thanks for your advice. It's interesting to read and yeah where she has had it (I've allowed it) it's going to be tough. I didn't even think about the age limit @LittleBearPad for what's app - all her friends have it ! And I feel I'm taking away her friends as ridiculous as that sounds as I say some of them don't go to her school but she has built up a friendship with them. I feel mean for saying she won't be able to talk to them again. But I also need to safeguard her and protect her from the internet which I guess I haven't done. X

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CarbonelCat · 18/02/2022 09:50

How does she know these friends? How did she keep in touch with then before?

Can you encourage playdates, postcards or notes or using your phone to send a message via their parents ohine - we do all of these

HeyGirlHeyBoy · 18/02/2022 09:53

Listen, tiktok is for 13+ and neighbouring girls of 9 have been posting videos.. You're not the only one. All you can do now is empathise and understand it is very difficult but stick with new plan, whatever that may be. Friendships that are purely phone based probably aren't the best anyway, and you don't seem to be fans of the parents so this might be a good move in a few ways. Like a lot of us, children are getting connection online instead of real life connection. IG for teenage girls is also a total liability in terms of self esteem, peer pressure etc.

strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:54

@CarbonelCat so her dads best friend has a daughter who she is friends with and does she and it's her friends who she goes to school with so a little bit awkward really

I have one of the girls involved mums mobile
Shall I drop her a text? X

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strawberrysummer19 · 18/02/2022 09:55

@HeyGirlHeyBoy that's a very good point x

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HeyGirlHeyBoy · 18/02/2022 09:55

The whole 'everyone is on it' can be overdone anyway and I often think if parents talked they'd realise they have more strength than they think ie many doing it because others are so if they all said no it would be easier.

Ilostit · 18/02/2022 09:58

I have a similar aged DD Sept age 10. No iPhone. iPad with restrictions. During the week she’s only allowed to use it for home work TT Rockstars, spelling etc then from Friday over the weekend she can have time on it subject to clubs.

I’m dreading when she gets a phone - it’s all very worrying.

Mischance · 18/02/2022 10:01

When children reach puberty and/or become teenagers you will endlessly hear the plea "Well, all my friends do it/have it, are allowed to do it etc, etc," You will have to gather the courage to take this with a pinch of salt!

Personally I think she is to young to be let loose with a phone.

It is a bit of a minefield for parents.

HeyGirlHeyBoy · 18/02/2022 10:02

It definitely is Ilostit and to a certain extent out of our control because of unrestricted friends etc.. Some children more drawn to it than others.

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