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Yet another article to make us feel guilty/worried about a few drinks in pregnancy?

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Tinker · 15/08/2005 10:52

Just a few drinks in pregnancy could harm baby
Published: 15 August 2005
Mothers who drink even low levels of alcohol during pregnancy could permanently damage their children's intelligence, research suggests.

The study of seven-and-a-half-year-olds by scientists in Detroit found lower IQ scores, and memory and problem-solving difficulties among those who had had low-level exposure to alcohol during pregnancy.

The research, which the Department of Health says it wants to consider, appears to challenge current British Government advice that pregnant women can safely consume one to two units of alcohol a week.

It has long been established that serious problems such as severe learning difficulties and physical abnormalities can occur when women drink large amounts of alcohol during pregnancy, leading to foetal alcohol syndrome (FAS).

Now American scientists say more research is needed to look at the damage caused by prenatal exposure to alcohol at lower levels.

Julie Croxford, from Wayne State University in Detroit, said: "In the past, much focus was placed on studying full-blown FAS. More recent research has considered those individuals damaged by lower levels of exposure. This is an important focus."

The study, published in the journal, Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research, looked at 337 African-American children who were exposed to moderate to heavy levels of alcohol in the womb.

It found they were able to perform memory, number and other tasks as well as other youngsters when these tasks were simple, such as naming colours.

But when the children were pressed to respond quickly while having to think about the response, their processing speed slowed down significantly.

Researcher Matthew Burden, from Wayne State University, said: "Prenatal alcohol exposure is often associated with slower reaction times and poorer attention in infancy and some of these deficits may be at the core of poorer academic performance and behaviour problems often seen later in childhood.

"In cases of FAS, lower IQ scores are common, often reaching the level of retardation. This is because alcohol consumed by the mother has a direct impact on the brain of the foetus.

"However, full FAS is not required to see this impact ­ it is just less obvious to detect across the array of exposures found in foetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASD), which include effects of prenatal alcohol at lower drinking levels."

Ms Croxford said: "This is likely to mean that these children may be more and more challenged the older they get by the demands placed on them within the school system and within their day-to-day social interactions. This reinforces the current public health message that women should not drink alcohol during pregnancy."

It is estimated that one baby in every 3,000 suffers from the full effects of FAS, ­ others are struck with milder forms of symptoms.

Campaigners in the UK have said that the only definitely safe level of alcohol during pregnancy is no alcohol at all, saying that recommended limits are too high.

The Department of Health said: "Current DoH advice is that women who are pregnant or who are trying to get pregnant should not drink more than 1-2 units of alcohol per week.

"This guidance was reviewed as part of the Government's Alcohol Harm Reduction Strategy in March last year and was found to be safe."

"We would be interested to see any further research into this area but current evidence does not justify changing our advice."

The research echoes warnings from British scientists in the past year.

Mothers who drink even low levels of alcohol during pregnancy could permanently damage their children's intelligence, research suggests.

The study of seven-and-a-half-year-olds by scientists in Detroit found lower IQ scores, and memory and problem-solving difficulties among those who had had low-level exposure to alcohol during pregnancy.

The research, which the Department of Health says it wants to consider, appears to challenge current British Government advice that pregnant women can safely consume one to two units of alcohol a week.

It has long been established that serious problems such as severe learning difficulties and physical abnormalities can occur when women drink large amounts of alcohol during pregnancy, leading to foetal alcohol syndrome (FAS).

Now American scientists say more research is needed to look at the damage caused by prenatal exposure to alcohol at lower levels.

Julie Croxford, from Wayne State University in Detroit, said: "In the past, much focus was placed on studying full-blown FAS. More recent research has considered those individuals damaged by lower levels of exposure. This is an important focus."

The study, published in the journal, Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research, looked at 337 African-American children who were exposed to moderate to heavy levels of alcohol in the womb.

It found they were able to perform memory, number and other tasks as well as other youngsters when these tasks were simple, such as naming colours.

But when the children were pressed to respond quickly while having to think about the response, their processing speed slowed down significantly.

Researcher Matthew Burden, from Wayne State University, said: "Prenatal alcohol exposure is often associated with slower reaction times and poorer attention in infancy and some of these deficits may be at the core of poorer academic performance and behaviour problems often seen later in childhood.
"In cases of FAS, lower IQ scores are common, often reaching the level of retardation. This is because alcohol consumed by the mother has a direct impact on the brain of the foetus.

"However, full FAS is not required to see this impact ­ it is just less obvious to detect across the array of exposures found in foetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASD), which include effects of prenatal alcohol at lower drinking levels."

Ms Croxford said: "This is likely to mean that these children may be more and more challenged the older they get by the demands placed on them within the school system and within their day-to-day social interactions. This reinforces the current public health message that women should not drink alcohol during pregnancy."

It is estimated that one baby in every 3,000 suffers from the full effects of FAS, ­ others are struck with milder forms of symptoms.

Campaigners in the UK have said that the only definitely safe level of alcohol during pregnancy is no alcohol at all, saying that recommended limits are too high.

The Department of Health said: "Current DoH advice is that women who are pregnant or who are trying to get pregnant should not drink more than 1-2 units of alcohol per week.

"This guidance was reviewed as part of the Government's Alcohol Harm Reduction Strategy in March last year and was found to be safe."

"We would be interested to see any further research into this area but current evidence does not justify changing our advice."

The research echoes warnings from British scientists in the past year.

OP posts:
FairyMum · 15/08/2005 10:55

I thoguht a couple of glasses of red was good for the blood flow in the placenta?

Tinker · 15/08/2005 10:56

Me too.

OP posts:
Chuffed · 15/08/2005 10:58

I haven't drunk anything in my last pregnancy or this one. The main reason is that every country seems to have different guidelines which basically means nobody knows what is going on and so nothing is safest in my book. I have to give up so much other stuff I like when pregnant food wise adding another thing to the list doesn't really make a lot of difference.

expatinscotland · 15/08/2005 11:03

Why am I not surprised this study comes from the US?

I was prescribed tranquilisers in pregnancy. My sister had her appendix out and took prescription pain relief during pregnancy. Surely a beer or glass of wine cannot be worse than prescription sedatives?

sweetheart · 15/08/2005 11:13

I think you always have to use your own judgement on these matters. I wouldn't stop having a couple of drinks every now and again.

Just call me a bad mother Will you all be horrified if I say I allow my dd (5) to drink "special beer" (very very very weak shandy)

RedZuleika · 15/08/2005 11:28

I think it's perfectly reasonable to allow children very diluted alcohol, even if only on special occasions or with Sunday lunch or something. Surely that's a message of sensible drinking...?

I've had a few drinks while I've been pregnant - but I went right off it at the beginning (well - for the first half, actually) and I start to feel funny if I have more than a glass of wine now. So I kind of feel that it's self-regulating.

I'm not saying that alcohol may not have some effect, but I would query with this research what other factors may come in to play as the children develop (diet, family background etc). Also - I've read research which suggests that non-breast fed babies suffer a similar stunting of certain brain functions - but no one yet has started a witch hunt against bottle feeding mothers. Could this be because formula milk is produced by huge multinational corporations, Nestle et al...?

Thomcat · 15/08/2005 11:32

Everyone I've seen for this and my last pregnancy have all said it's fine to have a drink or 2. I was still having 2 glasses a night in the very early days, now I'm having maybe 2 a week.

handlemecarefully · 15/08/2005 11:33

Well, I doubt the article was designed to provoke guilt feelings, and I think it is valid to research into this area.

I had the very occasional alcholic drink for both pregnancies (actually found that conveniently I didn't fancy alcohol that much), but will probably abstain completely for my planned 3rd pregnancy. Not judgeing anyone who does have the occasional drink - not my place too.

aloha · 15/08/2005 11:37

Agree it is always worth doing research. I do however wonder how they define 'moderate to heavy' and how many children fell into the 'heavy' category which I would guess is a LOT more than two drinks a week. Does anyone have a link to the actual paper?

Chuffed · 15/08/2005 11:40

Totally not judging - and I intend to give watered down wine etc to my children at a special occasion when a little older (currently not even 2).
Agree with HMC - not judging at all and a purely personal choice on my behalf. Being from NZ where they recommend no alcholol vs UK a couple of units per wk it helped make my decision.

sweetheart · 15/08/2005 11:45

RedZ, Chuffed - this is my theory with dd. My mother was always very stright about drinking when I was a child and due to this I used to sneek off nad binge drink.

My allowing dd diluted alcohol now I hope it will give her a more responsible attitude towards alcohol in the future.

I think there will always be articles like this banded about but at the end of the day it's up to each individual person to make a personal choice about what is right for them.

fqueenzebra · 15/08/2005 12:15

The article was actually published in March .
My uni doesn't have electronic access, maybe someone else can have a peek, see how "moderate" is moderate.

Let's see, DS was exposed to

  1. DEET (known cause of birth defects, only used it by mistake, but I was also repeatedly told by employer's doctor that was ok in small amounts),

  2. ionising radiation (with many assurances from my bosses that this was safe; later strongly refuted by a different radiation officer at the Uni),

  3. dental xray (unplanned pregnancy),

  4. strong ibuprofen-family drugs (contra-indciated in pregnancy because they can cause kidney abnormalities, and ds does have funny kidneys; did I mention this was an unplanned pregnancy?)

  5. regular alcohol thruout pregnancy...

  6. lead in our household as a baby (doctor reassured me that elevated lead levels in his blood was ok, since all the children in our town were about the same)

but hey, I'll blame the "immoral" choice of my alcohol habit if ds (or any of his siblings) ever manifests any behavioral problems or less-than-perfect intelligence.

And very clearly fertile women are ok to use iburprofen family drugs, insect repellent and live in houses built before 1980 -- BUT GOD FORBID they might have a drink or 2, especially in pregnancy.

Pah......

piffle · 15/08/2005 12:34

AS I never knew I was pg with ds I spent most of the first 7 weeks og pregnancy as I had spent the last year of my life
Pretty pissed most of the time, I was a part bunny, singing in a band
He has turned out to be an incredibly clever child with perfect behaviours (well he's messy but hey...)
I went teetotal with dd, aside from one sip of lager a few times a week and I men one taste month 6-7 due to cravings
dd was born with a rare genetic syndrome

Whatever they publish, you all know what you all know...

ninah · 15/08/2005 12:37

piffle what's a part bunny?

pooka · 15/08/2005 12:39

What's a part bunny piffle? Inrigued

mummyhill · 15/08/2005 13:09

Yeah piffle what is a part bunny? I had the ocassional drink when preg with DD and she seems intelligent enough thank's, have been having the odd one this pregnancy as well, we will have to wait and see if it causes problems!!!!!

mawbroon · 15/08/2005 14:06

I am 29 weeks pg and have not had a drop of alcohol since I found out I was expecting at week 4. However, this is more because I would beat myself up with guilt if something was wrong with my baby and I had drunk throughout the pregnancy (no matter how moderately). Along the same lines, I don't ever have even one drink if I am driving because I prefer for there to be no doubt.

That's me, and I appreciate that everyone sees things differently.

piffle · 15/08/2005 19:05

party bunny @ rabbit analogies

piffle · 15/08/2005 19:06

I know I beat myself up about other things that I did during pregnancy with dd...
Motherhood is a huge train of guilt, you always get on at the first stop and heaven knows where the end station is, nowhere in sight here and ds is 11 now!

spidermama · 15/08/2005 19:08

There seem to be different guidlines in different countries. My mw told me French pg women aren't told to abstain from wine or soft cheese.

motherinferior · 15/08/2005 19:20

Oh well, bang go the Inferiorettes GSCE results already.

bubbles2904 · 15/08/2005 19:29

i personally have only had about 3 drinks of shandy and 1'm 37+2. i don't judge people who do drink though, infact the only reason i haven't drank is because i couldn't just have 1, and it also makes me feel ill, as for the breast feeding comment, i don't intend on bf and thats everybodys personal right to choose. i have had a good slating for this already but will wait for it to start again.

spots · 15/08/2005 19:36

Surely this is not about personal choice?! Honestly, if a study showed that small quantities of alcohol definitely put your baby at some risk, would you honestly choose to have a glass of wine and sod the consequences?

bubbles2904 · 15/08/2005 19:40

no, i wouldn't personally spots but i'm saying i don't judge anyone who does, who am i to judge anyone???

motherinferior · 15/08/2005 21:34

Probably yes, actually, spots, in that some studies have shown that and yes, I thought 'soddit, I'll take the consequences'. Depends on the level of the risk and what that risk is of.