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Yet another article to make us feel guilty/worried about a few drinks in pregnancy?

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Tinker · 15/08/2005 10:52

Just a few drinks in pregnancy could harm baby
Published: 15 August 2005
Mothers who drink even low levels of alcohol during pregnancy could permanently damage their children's intelligence, research suggests.

The study of seven-and-a-half-year-olds by scientists in Detroit found lower IQ scores, and memory and problem-solving difficulties among those who had had low-level exposure to alcohol during pregnancy.

The research, which the Department of Health says it wants to consider, appears to challenge current British Government advice that pregnant women can safely consume one to two units of alcohol a week.

It has long been established that serious problems such as severe learning difficulties and physical abnormalities can occur when women drink large amounts of alcohol during pregnancy, leading to foetal alcohol syndrome (FAS).

Now American scientists say more research is needed to look at the damage caused by prenatal exposure to alcohol at lower levels.

Julie Croxford, from Wayne State University in Detroit, said: "In the past, much focus was placed on studying full-blown FAS. More recent research has considered those individuals damaged by lower levels of exposure. This is an important focus."

The study, published in the journal, Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research, looked at 337 African-American children who were exposed to moderate to heavy levels of alcohol in the womb.

It found they were able to perform memory, number and other tasks as well as other youngsters when these tasks were simple, such as naming colours.

But when the children were pressed to respond quickly while having to think about the response, their processing speed slowed down significantly.

Researcher Matthew Burden, from Wayne State University, said: "Prenatal alcohol exposure is often associated with slower reaction times and poorer attention in infancy and some of these deficits may be at the core of poorer academic performance and behaviour problems often seen later in childhood.

"In cases of FAS, lower IQ scores are common, often reaching the level of retardation. This is because alcohol consumed by the mother has a direct impact on the brain of the foetus.

"However, full FAS is not required to see this impact ­ it is just less obvious to detect across the array of exposures found in foetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASD), which include effects of prenatal alcohol at lower drinking levels."

Ms Croxford said: "This is likely to mean that these children may be more and more challenged the older they get by the demands placed on them within the school system and within their day-to-day social interactions. This reinforces the current public health message that women should not drink alcohol during pregnancy."

It is estimated that one baby in every 3,000 suffers from the full effects of FAS, ­ others are struck with milder forms of symptoms.

Campaigners in the UK have said that the only definitely safe level of alcohol during pregnancy is no alcohol at all, saying that recommended limits are too high.

The Department of Health said: "Current DoH advice is that women who are pregnant or who are trying to get pregnant should not drink more than 1-2 units of alcohol per week.

"This guidance was reviewed as part of the Government's Alcohol Harm Reduction Strategy in March last year and was found to be safe."

"We would be interested to see any further research into this area but current evidence does not justify changing our advice."

The research echoes warnings from British scientists in the past year.

Mothers who drink even low levels of alcohol during pregnancy could permanently damage their children's intelligence, research suggests.

The study of seven-and-a-half-year-olds by scientists in Detroit found lower IQ scores, and memory and problem-solving difficulties among those who had had low-level exposure to alcohol during pregnancy.

The research, which the Department of Health says it wants to consider, appears to challenge current British Government advice that pregnant women can safely consume one to two units of alcohol a week.

It has long been established that serious problems such as severe learning difficulties and physical abnormalities can occur when women drink large amounts of alcohol during pregnancy, leading to foetal alcohol syndrome (FAS).

Now American scientists say more research is needed to look at the damage caused by prenatal exposure to alcohol at lower levels.

Julie Croxford, from Wayne State University in Detroit, said: "In the past, much focus was placed on studying full-blown FAS. More recent research has considered those individuals damaged by lower levels of exposure. This is an important focus."

The study, published in the journal, Alcoholism: Clinical and Experimental Research, looked at 337 African-American children who were exposed to moderate to heavy levels of alcohol in the womb.

It found they were able to perform memory, number and other tasks as well as other youngsters when these tasks were simple, such as naming colours.

But when the children were pressed to respond quickly while having to think about the response, their processing speed slowed down significantly.

Researcher Matthew Burden, from Wayne State University, said: "Prenatal alcohol exposure is often associated with slower reaction times and poorer attention in infancy and some of these deficits may be at the core of poorer academic performance and behaviour problems often seen later in childhood.
"In cases of FAS, lower IQ scores are common, often reaching the level of retardation. This is because alcohol consumed by the mother has a direct impact on the brain of the foetus.

"However, full FAS is not required to see this impact ­ it is just less obvious to detect across the array of exposures found in foetal alcohol spectrum disorders (FASD), which include effects of prenatal alcohol at lower drinking levels."

Ms Croxford said: "This is likely to mean that these children may be more and more challenged the older they get by the demands placed on them within the school system and within their day-to-day social interactions. This reinforces the current public health message that women should not drink alcohol during pregnancy."

It is estimated that one baby in every 3,000 suffers from the full effects of FAS, ­ others are struck with milder forms of symptoms.

Campaigners in the UK have said that the only definitely safe level of alcohol during pregnancy is no alcohol at all, saying that recommended limits are too high.

The Department of Health said: "Current DoH advice is that women who are pregnant or who are trying to get pregnant should not drink more than 1-2 units of alcohol per week.

"This guidance was reviewed as part of the Government's Alcohol Harm Reduction Strategy in March last year and was found to be safe."

"We would be interested to see any further research into this area but current evidence does not justify changing our advice."

The research echoes warnings from British scientists in the past year.

OP posts:
goldenoldie · 22/08/2005 18:58

Caligula - sorry if you don't like my post, but the truth for me is that not drinking while pregnant really is not a big deal. I'm not suggesting that other pregnant women should abstain - it is a personal choice, and mine is to leave it alone.

Edam - units depend on the size of the glass and the alcohol content of the wine.

Most wine is about 14% alcohol, and one glass (125ml = small glass) equals 1.75 units.

i.e. The UK reccomendadtions of no more than two units a week = no more than just over one glass of wine a week for pregnant women.

(or 1 glass = 1.5 units for 12% strength, or 1.1 units for 9% strength)

Mojomummy · 22/08/2005 20:09

...no smoke without fire...

If you feel a bit tiddly after a glug of alcohol, who knows how the baby inside you is going to feel ? Who knows how it's undeveloped liver etc will cope ?

Yes, did have the occasional drink when pregant. Won't do it again though

edam · 22/08/2005 22:12

I'm not sure baby's liver is relevant - don't think it does anything very much in utero. Think your body does all that for it. IIRC.

Goldenoldie, I didn't have time (was at work) to check alchol units but think one glass of wine used to equal one unit before drinks industry changed glass sizes/abv. This research was carried out in the US - not sure how our measures/usual strength alcoholic drinks compares to theirs. Another confounding factor may be that US culture is far more puritanical about alcohol in general and alcohol in pregnancy - waiters have been known to refuse to serve pregnant women over there. So a cohort of US women who admit to drinking at least 0.5 oz a day, every day, during pregnancy will, possibly, be a fairly unusual bunch (unusally forceful, at any rate). So there might be other stuff going on here behind the headline facts. Even beyond the big confounding factor which is that people always underestimate the amount they drink/smoke/do other stuff that's bad for them when they speak to doctors. So a pregnant woman in the US who admits to drinking 0.5 oz alcohol a day every day is probably actually drinking much more than that.

Caligula · 22/08/2005 22:23

But there is no smoke. Let alone fire. Not once has there been a reputable study done which provides evidence (let alone proof) that light alcohol use in pregancy is harmful. Every single study that I've ever seen has been done on women who are drinking unfeasibly large amounts of alcohol - more than some of us drink when not pregnant, let alone when we are.

And the results of these not very representative studies are then presented as though any alcohol in pregnancy will have the same result as drinking a bottle of wine a day. And then women are bullied and made to feel bad if they want a couple of glasses a wine a week. On absolutley no basis. None. Really -none. None whatsoever.
(Have I said none enough now? )

Mojomummy · 22/08/2005 22:48

I disagree, there are always investigations into the affects of drinking alcohol whilst pregnant.

Also if everything else we eat/drink/inhale has an affect on babies in the womb, why wouldn't alcohol & if it isn't bad for us, why does it gives us (maybe just me?!) cracking hangovers ?

I think it's a sensitive subject because it's enjoyable & difficult to give it up

aloha · 22/08/2005 22:52

Yes, there are plenty of studies and none show any ill effects from drinking at (or even slightly above) the recommended levels. That's precisely the point!

Caligula · 22/08/2005 23:03

Exactly Mojomummy, there are plenty of studies - you find one which shows that drinking a couple of glasses a week in pregnancy is harmful.

You could google for hours, but you wouldn't find any.

edam · 22/08/2005 23:20

Anyone know if it's true that in France, women are encouraged to drink wine during pregnancy? (I'm guessing not 10 bottles a night...)

goldenoldie · 23/08/2005 08:30

France is the place where FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome) was discovered!

The French Government are planning to force wine maufacturers to add warning labels to wine bottles advising pregnant women not to drink.

And there have been recent legal cases in France where women have taken the state to court because they felt they were led to believe that drinking wine during pregnancy was safe - and it was not.

Em32 · 23/08/2005 08:50

My mother's generation drowned us all in gin during pregnancy (my aunts did the same to their children). Maybe it affected our intelligence, maybe it didn't. But we've all been to University! (Not that that is the only indicator of intelligence of course )
I didn't drink at all during pregnancy no1 (except for the part when I didn't know I was pregnant) but do occasionally this time. My choice. Must admit I was more shocked by seeing my neighbour let her 1 year old drink a good slug of wine the other day as she wanted her to sleep .......

morningpaper · 23/08/2005 09:07

Em32: So true, our mothers in the sixties basically had sleeping tablets, valium and martini circulating in their blood 24 hours a day from what my mother has told me...

I agree with Pruni that a lot of this is down to anti-women feelings and the suspicion that women can't be trusted to stick to 'moderate' drinking because once they've had a glass they will want a whole bottle... So the warnings swing to the other extreme.

Yes fetal alcohol syndrome was discovered in France in the 1960's - among the children of chronic alcoholics.

If studies showed that there was a risk for low-consumption of alcohol it would be different but studies like this - self-reporting african-american families in Detroit? I'd imagine that a lot of these families are not exactly given a lot of life's good luck handed to them on a plate.

Mojomummy · 23/08/2005 11:51

our mothers may have done that, but who knows what effects this has had on us ? or our children ?

I think you've got to be sensible - if you truly believe that it won't affect your baby, then drink (& be happy to live with any repercussions there maybe) or abstain - it's only 9mths - is it really that big a deal ?

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Em32 · 23/08/2005 13:53

That was kind of my point - that my mum's generation (babies born in the 70s) weren't that sensible and that we turned out ok. So, if we are reasonably sensible our children should be ok. As other posters mention this study looks at African American children in Detroit and considers moderate to heavy drinking. It doesn't mention level of education or IQ level of the parents, socio-economic factors etc I think it is difficult to extrapolate from this to the general population in the UK or anywhere. I'm NOT advocating drinking in pregnancy just think that sometimes these things can be misinterpreted. I would want to see the research reviewed by our Department of Health to see what they said.

Pruni · 23/08/2005 13:59

Message withdrawn

Caligula · 23/08/2005 17:00

Agree with Pruni.

It's part of the Madonna-isation process. (And I don't mean THAT Madonna!)

motherinferior · 23/08/2005 17:02

VG point Pruni.

happymerryberries · 23/08/2005 17:06

And at the same time cuting away the old school perks of being PG, like getting a seat on the bus, two weeks with your feet up being 'mothered' in hospital post partum (that happened to my mum btw! she loved it)

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