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Found out the sex today - feeling really sad about it :(

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BettyButterknife · 01/03/2010 20:01

In hindsight, perhaps we shouldn't have found out. Already have one son, this next child will be our second and last. Looks like we're having another boy.

Thing is, everyone around me has been saying 'oh, I definitely think you're having a girl' and I began to believe them.

I wish we hadn't told people we'd be finding out, as all day I've had people texting and calling to see what it is. Their reactions have made me feel so much worse - my mum sounded disappointed and I stupidly feel a bit like I've let them down. I know that's daft, and I feel so guilty for feeling sad about this because the scan showed that there was nothing to worry about and we're expecting a healthy baby, which I know is the only thing most people would care about.

How do I get over this? I wanted to know to enable me to bond a bit more with my bump, and it's obviously very new news still. I have had a crappy day at work, and a broken night last night, so I'm hoping these tears are a product of being tired and stressed more than being geniunely upset I'll never have a daughter. Can anyone offer any words of advice?

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PureAsTheColdDrivenSnow · 03/03/2010 00:40

Oh... my youngest sister (of 3) is called Nicola. After my Dad Nick. My Mum miscarried between me and my middle sister at 15 weeks and they're pretty sure it was a boy. Mum never got over it, and we're all very well aware of this
way to make 3 daughters welcome.

sorry... venting

BettyButterknife · 03/03/2010 09:11

I have been thinking a lot about my reasons for feeling some disappointment at being told it's a second boy. I agree with many of the points made here about how boys seem less 'valued' for want of another word - it is very sad.

In my case, I have one brother, so the model I know is 2 kids, one of each sex - and this seems to be, culturally, the ideal (am I wrong?). I went to a girls' school, and went to university feeling quite terrified of boys and not having a clue how to relate to them. One of MIL's refrains is 'a daughter is for life, a son is until he finds a wife', which I think is pretty disingenuous, and really quite upsetting!

My mum said to me the other night, in a thinly veiled attempt to sound positive, 'well, at least you won't have to do two after-school pick-ups - one going to football, one going to ballet' to which I answered 'you're right - two ballet pick ups will be much easier'. Which leads me onto one other reason... I have pretty strong feminist tendencies, and had hoped to be able to discuss gender politics with a daughter. I realise, just writing that, how unreasonable I am being in not considering it possible to have those discussions with a son, which could, in fact, perhaps be more powerful in some ways. Wow, to bring up two amazing, feminist sons would be really something.

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Lizzylou · 03/03/2010 09:17

Poor you, it is horrible to feel a certain way knowing that you really shouldn't.

I have two DS's, we didn't find out the sex but I remember my initial reaction post birth was:
"Wow he is beautiful, gosh he is big. Oh no, I'll never have a daughter". I then felt horribly guilty for a while at how I felt.

Like you I grew up in a Topsy and Tim household, as did DH, one of each is most people's ideal. I'd have felt the same if I had 2 DDs, just that I was missing out on parenting one sex.

DS2 is 4 tomorrow and couldn't be more different to his elder brother and neither could be more loved, they adore each other and are very close. That could be because they are both boys, but my friends with one of each have children who are close too.

You will soon get your head round the idea, congratulations

MarineIguana · 03/03/2010 09:48

SOH, didn't think you were singling me out - just musing on why I had actually done a bit of what you'd said.

I think all this is partly tied in with the massive cultural polarisation of the genders that's gone on recently. There is so much pressure on girls to be pretty and girly now and on boys to be masculine, more division of clothes and toys - much more so than when I was growing up in the 70s (and was a total tomboy). So most do conform to stereotypes, much more than we used to.

Betty I'm also very feminist and I think that's vitally important with bringing up boys! Look at all the threads on here about men who think they can treat women like dirt, expect sex on demand, not do housework, get antsy if their partner earns more and generally behave as if they're from the 1500s. They must have been brought up by someone who encouraged them to think that way or never challenged it.

And because of the gender-difference culture now I am starting to get that stuff from DS (who is 4) - yesterday he told me that "mummies stay at home" . I actually have a career but work at home, so I can see his point, but it also sounded as if someone had told him this. So we talked about all the other mummies who are police officers, shopkeepers, astronauts, teachers, scientists etc. and how some daddies stay at home.

(not to diss SAHMs, I just don't want him to think that's a general truism)

thedollshouse · 03/03/2010 09:58

I found out at the 20 week scan that we were having a second boy, I wanted to know because I didn't want to feel disappointed at the birth. We haven't told anyone else the sex and the comments along the lines of "Oh I bet you are hoping for a little girl" did grate on me at first.

I am now genuinely pleased that we are having another boy and finding out early as given me plenty of time to bond with the little chap. The other day I had a panic that the sonographer might be wrong. I would now find it quite upsetting if this little bundle turns out to be a girl as I have been expecting a little boy. I think whatever happens once you have your baby in your arms and get to know his personality you won't care in the slightest what the sex is.

Ds1 often asks me if I wanted a boy or girl when I was pregnant and I truthfully answer that the sex was irrelevant I just wanted it to be him.

DottyDot · 03/03/2010 10:07

Awww - haven't read all the posts but just wanted to say having 2 boys is just brilliant!

You'll love it - bloody hard work at first (well, mine were and it would be anyway) but mine are 8 and nearly 6 now and they're such good fun - like puppies rolling around and fighting one minute, but then out playing football the next. They're a great little team and both completely different to each other, so it's not like having 2 the same (if you see what I mean?).

We're not having any more and the only time I get a bit of a twinge about not having a girl is every now and then when I see girly clothes that I'll never need to buy.

But honestly, 2 boys are such so brilliant - when I see them playing out together or riding their bikes together I just feel so happy we've got them, they haven't killed each other yet and we're a complete family.

So, try not to worry and when he's here all your worries will go out of the window xx

Niecie · 03/03/2010 10:24

I don't think anybody has linked to this recent thread

Somebody else found out they were having 2 boys and wanted to know what it was like. Everybody on it is so positive about having 2 boys so I hope it makes you feel less disappointed and more excited at the prospect of having 2 boys yourself.

I have 2 boys and whilst I didn't find out what I was having before the birth I was very aware of the weight of my MIL's hopes - she had 3 DSs and 3 grandsons by the time I was pregnant with DS2 and desperately wanted a granddaughter. When he was actually born, it didn't matter though. Everybody loves him as I am sure your family will love your DS2

Funnily enough MIL now has her granddaughter and she has turned out to be a total tomboy and not in the least pink and girly. Whatever it is you feel you might be missing by having a girl, it could just be you will either find it through your DSs or you would never have had it with your DD anyway.

Hope it all works out well for you.

SerenF · 03/03/2010 10:50

I am in the same situation. I already have a gorgeous boy and am now 37 wks pregnant with my second son. Everyone else in my family, and many of my friends, have one of each sex, and I was convinced boy first, girl second ran in our family. When I found out I was sad for a few days and cried. It's okay to feel how you feel, you will get past it and move on and become excited about having two boys. They will be entirely different people and you will have entirely different relationships with each.
But there can be a real differences in the relationship a Mother has with her sons, to the relationship a Mother can form with her daughter over time, and it is fair to grieve for that relationship you may never have.
It's not about being able to dress her up, play tea shops and go shopping with her for clothes, as many people highlight.
For me it is about the woman she becomes, and the lifelong friend she could be (if you're lucky) and about the closeness you will automatically have to her family, and her children as her Mother, rather than Mother-in-law.
It does work differently with boys - you know you are a lucky Mum if you have a son who calls you, and some sons are very good and very close to their Mums but once married, they naturally gravitate towards their wife's family.
With two sons I know I will have to be the one calling and making myself available to help with their families, to try and build a close relationship with my grandchildren. I know i'll have to walk the tricky tightrope of the the mother-in-law/daughter-in-law relationship, which doesn't have the natural ease and honesty built up over the years between Mother and daughter.

I think it is fair to be sad, but only for a while, just in the same way i'm sure Dads of two daughters briefly mourn the father/son relationship they might never have.

But on a plus side, I have an exceptional Mother-in law - who had two sons, and she remains resolutely close to her boys and makes a huge effort with myself and my sister in law in order to be a real part of our lives and always welcome in our homes. So I'm picking up as many tips as possible on how to raise two lovely boys and how to have a great relationship with your sons and their wives and their children! All the best x

whippybamboo · 03/03/2010 11:11

I am pregnant also and already have a son and would love another son. I have had 20 week scan but didn't find out I am just happy that the baby is healthy. That is the main thing.

Don't worry about others reactions....you are pregnant, you have a healthy baby and another healthy son, what more could you want? I know so many people struggle to even get pregnant with a second child and would be happy to have a baby whatever gender.

Snowtiger · 03/03/2010 12:24

Betty I think we must be living parallel lives!!

I have an older brother and so grew up thinking that having 'one of each' (gender) was normal and what you were basically aiming for. I've also had the 'a son is a son til he takes a wife' thing thrown at me, and had always wanted a daughter so that she and I could be as close as my Mum and I are.

Interestingly enough though, since I told my mum that I'm having another boy she's done nothing but tell me what a nightmare I was (as a child / teenager) compared to my brother, and even said "I'll have to change my will now to share out my jewellery a bit more, as you won't have any daughters to leave it to" Nice eh? Not quite the 'loving, mutually supportive' relationship that I thought we had!!

(To be fair, she's brilliant though - she has my DS1 at the moment while I'm on the sofa with 'flu)

Like you I've worried about the closeness with sons and how people talk about you 'losing' them when they marry / take a partner. My MIL (who has two sons) is pretty hopeless - has never offered any help at all and moans that she's left out while never making any effort herself. She's a good lesson in how not to behave as a MIL in my opinion, while my Mum regularly babysits for my brother's two boys, helps out my sister in law, and makes a real effort to forge a good relationsihp with her. I know which model I'll be trying follow in the years to come.

I've also got the spectre hanging over me of the fact that DH and his brother don't get on AT ALL in fact their relationship is one of complete indifference - they don't speak, they don't like each other, and have in the past ignored each other on trains / in pubs when they happen to see each other. I find that heartbreaking and don't know whether that's to do with their personalities or the way they were raised. But then again, some brothers and sisters don't get on, and I have two girl friends with sisters who loath each other, so I don't think that's anything to do with them being brothers.

And like you, I wanted a daughter whom I could teach to be a strong, independent woman. Like you, I went to an all girls' school and was brought up to believe I could be anything I wanted - a consultant, Prime Minister, a QC... Being 'a mum' didn't really come into it (in fact my headmistress would have seen it as letting the side down) and I would have loved to have shown my daughter that you can be a woman, and a mum, and a businesswoman, and a strong person, and still be soft and loving, all at the same time.

Instead I hope I'll teach my boys to be self-sufficient; to do their own washing, to cook, to look after themselves, to be emotionally aware and intelligent, and to respect women, by showing them the example of a mother who strived to find the right balance between all the roles she had and chose to play.

I'm rambling a bit here - giving myself therapy I think, working through the same issues as you are! But I think all we can and will do is our best, as the years go on, to encourage our boys to share, to play together, to love each other while respecting their differences, to stay close as a family and to love and respect women, and to be decent members of society.

We'll learn to be good mothers and mothers in law too, in time, and as someone else said, if we get more than one 'duty' phone call a week from our boys, we'll know we've done well!

I guess what it all comes down to is that it doesn't matter what gender our children are, whether they're sensitive boys or tomboyish girls - the examples we set them, and the values we teach them, are what will make their lives (and ours) happy, fulfilling, valuable and good. The pros and cons of having daughters vs sons can be argued over ad nauseum, but I think the best thing for us to focus on is how to help our children to be happy, whoever they are.

(Just read that back, sounded a bit Oprah-ish, sorry! )

MumNWLondon · 03/03/2010 16:11

I also suffered geneder disappointment after my 20 week scan. It's another boy. I'm not really sure why I was disappointed as I already have a DD and a DS. Maybe as DD has been asking for a sister since her bother brother was born? Or maybe because DD is such an easy child whereas DS is very hard (although thats no indication that another girl would be easy or another boy would be hard). Maybe its because I grew up in a family will lots of girls (3 girls then a boy).

Anyway I am 33 weeks and over it now - part of me thinks its best not to know as much less likely to have gender disappointment at birth when you are happy to meet your baby.

Also my mum was very disappointed when my sister was born, very openly for a long time. My sister was a tomboy, now is a lesbian.... and my mum blames herself so best to get these feelings out of the way.

lumpasmelly · 03/03/2010 17:18

i was disappointed when i found out DS2 was a boy.....but now i love love love love love having 2 boys - they are so close and love to do the same things which makes my life so much easier. It didn't stop me from going for a third though, and this time round I'm expecting a girl. you'd have thought I'd have been delighted, and I am happy, but to tell the truth it was a bit of an anticlimax when I found out and a little part of me mourned for the fact that my boys wouldn't have another member for their little gang (and i wouldn't get to experience the joy of a baby boy one more time!).....I am sure I will love my DD as much as my boys, but I already feel a little sorry for us as she will never have what her brothers have together and will probably be the one that gets left out......

Alaro · 03/03/2010 18:57

I had gender disappointment when both my children were girls as I desperately wanted sons. Made worse as dh has 3 girls from a previous relationship. So 5 girls in total. I could have cheerfully punched other people and their "pity". However as everyone says when your baby is born he will be exactly what you wanted after all and you will be on mumsnet telling someone else how perfect it all is!

Zeph · 04/03/2010 18:57

Just wanted to say i'm in exactly the same situation as you. I'm pregnant with my second baby (first son was born in dec 2007) and i really wanted a girl this time. We found out the sex at a scan 2 weeks ago - another boy. I was expecting to be really disappointed but you know what - i'm not. Yes, i'll never have a girl but what has really helped me is my faith. I just felt it was God's decision and that He knows what He's doing and that it's the most appropriate thing for me! So, no, i'm not upset, rather just now looking forward to having a hopefully healthy baby, not having to buy more clothes and toys (well not many anyway!), being able to take the boys to the same after school activities which we can share together, knowing they'll look out for each other and understand what each other is going through when they get to puberty, no periods or PMS, more choice over whether and how much to spend on their weddings if they get married etc!!! the list is endless. The other thing that makes sense to me is that i've always got on better with boys in spite of having a sister myself (who i love too). I feel i can understand and relate better to boys and can't stand how bitchy girls can be to each other. Of course i expect my boys to argue from time to time but i hope they'll both grow up feeling very loved and secure and become caring and kind individuals. I hope you can come to terms quickly with having two boys too. Take care -x-

mintcandy · 05/03/2010 13:12

My boys are now 14 and 12 and I look back with gratitude and joy at how amazing adventure it has been bringing them up.

The 12 y o is still very much a child and such a mummy's boy it's unbelievable, but I mean it in a positive way ie he is quite independent and have great social life but so openly adoring towards me and loves spending time with me when at home, loves chatting about anything really, shares things about school, friends, interests and lots of thoughts on life in general. Time spent together is never ever boring.

My 14 y o is now taller than me , handsome and a very mature boy . He makes me sooo proud. Just experiencing his first love and I am really enjoying this new adventure. My firstborn baby boy having a girlfriend and it's so sweet seeing him doing all these romantic stuff, getting up in a rush and out of the door with a rose and chocolates to walk uphill for one hour on Valentines Day.
He is just such a sweet boy while still being a cool teen. Brilliant sense of humour. Fantastic relationship with his dad.
Gosh, I LOVE teen boys !

Now the icing on the cake is my 4 y o , the baby of the family . Such a bundle of fun who gives me cuddles and kisses like there is no tomorrow and is absolutely adamant he is going to marry me.

I don't have a daughter and I'm sure girls are fab too, but I so enjoyed having my first boy then another and with my youngest I have the wonderful gift of doing it all over again, the boy thing, how brilliant.

Other people's negative comments attitudes are inevitable, it's ignorance , they have no idea. I have no doubt that some people , neighbours look at me with a degree of pity at having three boys, but I'm sort of amused by this, if only they knew...

liquoriceandtomatoes · 05/03/2010 16:53

Betty

Thank you for being so open, I agree with others who write that this is a taboo subject in society, we're all meant to say in a breezy voice 'oh I don't mind which sex as long as they're healthy' upon being asked. And I'm not sure how helpful the posts are which say be thankful your baby is healthy, if you can't post some taboo feelings here, then where can you?

I'm pregnant with my first child and I'm having to think about why I currently have more boy fantasies over girl ones? But I have yet to find out the sex and by no means would I openly admit to such bias to family.

I hope I'm not finishing on too trite a note but whichever sex it is we're planning on getting a dog (which you can control ) in the opposite sex so that neither me nor my partner feel too left out.
By the way, we've been planning on getting a dog for a while but been stuck in rented accommodation. A dog is not just for gender balance .....

whippybamboo · 05/03/2010 17:14

People can post taboo feelings on here, but by the same token others can respond with their own thoughts and feelings whether or not it agrees with the original post. Surely that's the point of a discussion board. We can't just all post sympathetic posts in agreement all the time.

liquoriceandtomatoes · 05/03/2010 18:26

So by turn, I believe giving opinions on other posts also constitutes a discussion. Unless I'm getting confused and need a discussion explained to me a second time.

MammyC · 05/03/2010 22:15

welcome to planet boy. Just think of the benefits:

boys need to be run like dogs twice a day so you'll be in skinny jeans in no time.

same sex siblings are closer.

no running around like a headless chicken getting one to rugby and one to ballet (apols for gender stereotypes, but you know what i mean).

it will be soooooooooooo fun

good luck xx

whippybamboo · 05/03/2010 22:43

Opinionate away liquoriceandtomatoes, no one said you couldn't!

Buckler · 08/03/2010 17:49

What's wrong with some people? Go on the miscarriage thread and read all the harrowing stories then think am i really that upset!!

jojochanel · 09/03/2010 08:54

As mum of 2 x DS (and probably a third in 3 weeks) the being a MIL bit in the future that worries me as I have friends who hate their - unrationally so in my opinion - like they never really gave them a chance.

I console myself with the fact that mine has, in the last few years since having kids anyway, been more of a mother to me than my own. She can drive me mad at times as she's fond of nonsense but she's honestly the kindest woman I ever met and so sweet. My own mum in comparision has only met my kids about 4 times (eldest is 3.5) despite only living about 500 miles away on a direct flight route - she's too busy apparently (even thou she's been retired for 6 months now). She's just decided to emigrate (again) to NZ and told me yesterday that she's going to go on my due date in 3 weeks time. Don't know when she'll be back but she couldn't even hang on a week or two to see her new GC born and say goodbye to her other two - funny how things turn out! (sorry for vent - probably need to post on the AIBU thread)

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