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Declining antenatal care

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Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 14:37

I've declined midwife appts,I had a call last week to try and change my mind and another today,I feel coerced and bullied,patronised and ignored,I'm 20 weeks today and just want to be left alone, considering not going to my 20 week scan now too, the 13 week one wasn't a pleasant experience either and I feel very anti NHS,tho I don't have funds for complete private care, just feeling very emotional atm

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Youthiswastedontheyoung · 14/11/2024 22:35

My IM was incredibly well educated. She demonstrated to me (using a sink filled with water) why babies frequently move in alarm when the Sonicaid is used to listen in. Pinard every time after that!
We must be more challenging.

Playingintheshadow · 14/11/2024 22:35

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 22:17

No I came for advice,which I'm not getting, I'm getting alot of hostility and criticism, no one is trying to.ansert my original post so I'm just reacting to things others are saying

Look at your attitude and your responses to well-meaning posters and then you might figure out why you are getting "hostility and criticism"! I can't actually get my head round the idea that people with your mindset might even exist.

Do what you want, because you are going to do that anyway - you aren't open to any reason. Hopefully will be ok, but if so, that will be in spite of you not because of you. Unbeleivable!

CarrotPencil · 14/11/2024 22:36

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 22:17

No I came for advice,which I'm not getting, I'm getting alot of hostility and criticism, no one is trying to.ansert my original post so I'm just reacting to things others are saying

You're not getting advice because you’re not actually saying what you need advice with 🙃🙃🙃 hence everyone is getting pissed off at you!!

Thread is going round in circles, pointless! Good luck to your kid!

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 14/11/2024 22:39

I'm a teacher and I'd have home-schooled my kids if I could have afforded not to work!

92Char · 14/11/2024 22:39

The irony is if it was the hospital refusing to give antenatal care, the same people would say they aren't a priority. You can't please everyone

We aren't going to change some minds here

Grammarnut · 14/11/2024 22:40

AshLeaf · 14/11/2024 19:26

Yeah, I started about here with my first, but my wonderful (nhs) midwife showed me lots of studies etc which highlighted how too much medicalisation leads to much higher levels of intervention. So, I went from a ‘give me every drug you have in hospital’ birth plan to having a (midwife supervised) water birth at home -lovely experience & much quicker recovery time.

I think if OP is monitoring her blood pressure and blood sugar at home herself and going to her scans that’s a much better result than feeling out of control and so deciding to skip everything

Glad you had a lovely experience. But over-medicalisation and intervention is far better than what used to be the case: little intervention and higher maternal and infant mortality rates. I am for a healthy baby and a healthy mother, however you get there. In the latest maternity scandals in the UK it's noticeable that non-intervention was the cause of deaths and poor health outcomes, not over-intervention. Caesarians were avoided at all cost (they cost, of course) and midwives pushed natural childbirth at all costs even when women attempted to explain they knew something was wrong/needed some help. Natural childbirth has a fair number of casualties along the lines of infant and maternal mortality and also damage to the mother e.g. fistulas of the vagina and anus and bad tears - both of which are life-changing if not treated (as is the case in many developing countries). We are very lucky.
And that the OP is monitoring her blood pressure etc does not mean everything is fine. Several on this thread have pointed out that a mother may not be aware of e.g. a transverse baby. The mother alone cannot know that the placenta is not functioning, that placenta previa is present etc. Pre-eclampsia and diabetes may have no symptoms for the mother. OP should use the NHS checks that are there to help her - her objections are mostly superficial.

rainbowsparkle28 · 14/11/2024 22:40

You are neglecting the needs of your unborn baby. Straight up. You can decline but - speaking from professional experience here - don't be surprised to find yourself under the scope of children's services if you do as that is how it will be viewed, and with good reason. I suspect there is a lot more to this than you are letting on which is why you don't want to otherwise why would you not want to engage even at a basic level to ensure you and your unborn baby are safe and well given the potential risks around pregnancy/birth (not saying for all, but there are some risks for some people). Running away from it is not going to do you any favours...

izimbra · 14/11/2024 22:40

sillygoof · 14/11/2024 22:34

I’d put money on them being home schooled. She won’t think the teachers are being nice enough, seeing as she won’t engage with maternity services because they aren’t nice enough.

Why are you being so nasty?

Have you read back through the thread and thought you could add something new to the criticism the OP has had here?

So unhelpful.

Normallynumb · 14/11/2024 22:41

Pregnancy and birth is not all about you!
What's the point of " hoping for the best" when there are professionals available to make sure your baby arrives safely and well.
I had pre eclampsia developing very rapidly during labour( only sign was trace of protein and I felt " off")
Baby became distressed as my kidneys were failing
He was born not breathing and had to be resuscitated.

Lja100 · 14/11/2024 22:41

You're getting a lot of criticism, are you seriously surprised?
Why you'd decline important appointments to check your unborn baby I don't know! They don't just want to see you for fun

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 22:42

CarrotPencil · 14/11/2024 22:36

You're not getting advice because you’re not actually saying what you need advice with 🙃🙃🙃 hence everyone is getting pissed off at you!!

Thread is going round in circles, pointless! Good luck to your kid!

I asked for advice on not going to midwife appointments, looking to see if anyone had.gone down that path and what their experience was

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Youthiswastedontheyoung · 14/11/2024 22:43

@Grammarnut Much damage also caused by unecessary intervention.

Candy24 · 14/11/2024 22:47

Seems like a bit of a troll post.

Battenbergcoconutice · 14/11/2024 22:47

MyrtleStrumpet · 14/11/2024 22:24

What I'm perceiving is that your experiences have demonstrated that health care professionals have treated/are treating you as an incubator for this "very important" baby, rather than an intelligent pregnant woman who's already had two children without problems. You know the score, you feel well and would prefer to proceed without intervention to avoid being treated like a meat locker.

This is understandable.

I also perceive that you are asking if anyone else on MN has chosen this path and what was their experience. You're being met with judgment which is not helpful.

I believe that by asking for experiences you want to use this information to make a considered decision about whether you have antenatal care or not.

All of this tells me you are carefully weighing up your options to make the best decision for you and the baby.

This is to be commended.

To add to your information, I used to work for a neonatal research unit at Oxford University, years ago. A lot of years ago. So I can't tell you what the latest advice is.

What I CAN tell you is that best practice is informed by clinical trials that will have worked out that the additional appointments/scans generally lead to better outcomes in the population as a whole.

This means that more often than not, having additional scans and appointments has reduced the risk of disability and/or death in babies and/or mothers.

What this means in your situation, given that you've had two pregnancies already, is that you may be fine and your baby may be fine or something else might come up that puts you and/or your baby in jeopardy.

It also means that there will have been enough cases of maternal or baby death or disability in otherwise healthy women, that could have been avoided or reduced if this had been picked up at a scan. It's also likely that NICE have decided that more appointments will reduce bad outcomes.

I haven't read any research papers on this, but if the best advice is to have more scans and appointments than was previously advised, then it's very, very likely (given the pressures on the NHS) that more appointments have saved lives or reduced serious disability to a significant level.

Turning back to you, it seems that you are probably going to be fine, but it's worth considering that otherwise healthy women may only have had serious issues identified when they had a later scan.

It's not for me to advise you whether to have the appointments/scans or not. They are there to ensure that women and their babies have the best outcomes possible.

I think NHS obstetrics services could do more to treat women as thinking human beings but like many services there isn't the time, inclination or money to invest.

I'm sure you have the best interests of your health and your baby in mind. If you were treated as the intelligent and experienced woman you are, would you have the apppintments/scans? And if the answer is yes, then it's the attitudes that need to change, not the number of appointments and scans.

I wish you a safe delivery.

@Casuallydresseddeepinconversation
Ignore all the other responses and just focus on this one. Wishing you all the best. And baby is not more important than you. You are both equally important x

UsernameNameUser · 14/11/2024 22:47

ISpyNoPlumPie · 14/11/2024 22:31

Has anyone figured out what “they” are doing to the OP in a midwife appointment that is threatening the wellbeing of her and her existing children? Racking my brains but can’t remember anything so invasive and/or unedifying that it was worth the risk of my unborn child dying…

All I can deduce from OP’s posts are they’re not making her the star of the show and instead doing their jobs by checking on baby

Cailin66 · 14/11/2024 22:47

On my third I said I’ve had it with hanging around for scans etc. They gave out to me for showing up at around 5 months.

i never went to birthing classes either. For any pregnancy. My husband came to one scan per child, no point him hanging around was there when he had work. He did come for actual issues later in first pregnancy.

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 22:47

I don't think asking for advice about taking an alternative path with regards to my care warrants the level of name calling and hostility I've got here,some people have genuinely really heard what I've said and offered good advice,like using at home bp monitors etc and I'm really grateful for that
Im stepping away from the thread im going to have a cup of tea (yes i know caffeine in pregnancy another thing to be referred to ss for no doubt)

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Grammarnut · 14/11/2024 22:48

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 22:42

I asked for advice on not going to midwife appointments, looking to see if anyone had.gone down that path and what their experience was

And you got advice, which is to go to the midwife appointments because they are not arranged for fun. If you care about your baby and your other children you will go.
Lots of women don't see a midwife.

They live in rural areas of developing countries and have to travel miles to hospitals for maternity care. Many such mothers end up with life-changing damage to their bodies and lose their babies. They would all jump at the chance you have of seeing a midwife on a regular basis, of knowing that if anything is wrong something will be done to put it right and that they will go home with a live baby and their body intact.
Every one of those women who don't see a midwife would tell you to see yours.

CarrotPencil · 14/11/2024 22:49

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 22:47

I don't think asking for advice about taking an alternative path with regards to my care warrants the level of name calling and hostility I've got here,some people have genuinely really heard what I've said and offered good advice,like using at home bp monitors etc and I'm really grateful for that
Im stepping away from the thread im going to have a cup of tea (yes i know caffeine in pregnancy another thing to be referred to ss for no doubt)

But why is a home BP check any less invasive than one done by a midwife?

Go to bed I would! Relaxation is good for YOU (and the baby 🤫)

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 22:49

UsernameNameUser · 14/11/2024 22:47

All I can deduce from OP’s posts are they’re not making her the star of the show and instead doing their jobs by checking on baby

Well you're being deliberately obtuse and just making stuff up now

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UsernameNameUser · 14/11/2024 22:49

Casuallydresseddeepinconversation · 14/11/2024 22:49

Well you're being deliberately obtuse and just making stuff up now

Ok so tell us what the actual problem is rather than skirting around it so

Youthiswastedontheyoung · 14/11/2024 22:50

@Casuallydresseddeepinconversation I stand with you. I think it's to be commended that you are challenging and questioning your care and that of your baby.

LetThereBeLove · 14/11/2024 22:50

OP you asked a pp about gestational diabetes and family history. DD had GD (only picked up by midwife check late in during the pregnancy.) There s no family history of it.

IVFmumoftwo · 14/11/2024 22:51

sunshinestar1986 · 14/11/2024 19:51

OP
You can do as you like tbh
I had my son nearly 2 years ago.
I went to some appointments and didn't go to some.
They wanted me in every 4 weeks, then every 2 weeks, starting from 28 weeks
But they're not gunna force you
Also, they told me I would need to have an induction at 41 weeks lol
I mean yes if you want to
But waiting until 42 weeks is just fine .

I think the language they use is problematic and they act like your stupid sometimes
They told me to take the covid vaccine, I declined, didn't get covid
They told me to take whooping cough otherwise my son could get very ill if I were to catch it, I declined.
My son's nearly 2 and hasn't even been ill yet
So, basically their job seems to be to tell you about the worst case scenario in everything. Do this or else kinda thing.
They told me I would likely have a c section, I've never had one.
So yeah, I think take from the NHS what you need. Its really good in some aspects but no point thinking it's a perfect system. Might as well be informed about your choices.
Hoping to have a home birth next!

I think you are stupid. Whooping cough could have killed your son.

MyrtleStrumpet · 14/11/2024 22:54

Playingintheshadow · 14/11/2024 22:31

Most of us posting here have "walked a mile in her shoes" and have chosen to prioritise the health and safety of our unborn children!

So a mile in your shoes, not hers.

You don't know her or her situation, just as I dont know you or your situation.

None of us is perfect, and MN should be the place where we get to ask unpalatable questions to gauge the consensus.

It doesn't give you the right to be so judgy unless you are personally prepared to support her during her pregnancy and motherhood.

Compassion is paramount. Because I'm sure you'd like some of that too, whatever your circumstances.

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