did you refuse iron tests, urine tests, bp checks, doppler checks etc?

[nappyaddict]

if so why? i can understand refusing tests that find out abnormalities if you wouldn't terminate anyway but i can't understand why people refuse those mentioned above.

Everytime I saw the cons they told me I had to have an EL CS. I begged and pleaded and cried to not have one but was told I had no choice.

It sounds like you were very unlucky.

3 littlefrogs - why did she need induction, was there a problem or was she just overdue?

Thankfully this time round I've had better care and even though my cons has the attitude of Connie Becham at times she knows what she is doing and has told me from the start that I can do what I want.
Now I just have to make sure I listen to what she is telling me.
It's cases like mine, and what Expat went through that makes people so wary of the Maternity services, which is terrible because I do honestly beleive that some of the people working in that sector are angels.

I'm surprised at the anaemia/low chance of pph link, it's certainly not my experience. And in Indonesia I was told that 80% of maternal deaths (mortality rate 420 )were due to pph, with 80% of those due to amaemia.

Gestational diabetes DOES kill someone. Babies.

leonie you are leaving because you are talking dangerous spurious unsubstantiated nonsense and everyone knows

Yeah, better she does though than someone actually read and believe that rubbish and let their baby die because, you knwow, death IS very natural.

Treatment of gestational diabetes reduces serious perinatal morbidity

Effect of treatment of gestational diabetes mellitus on pregnancy

Crowther CA, Hiller JE, Moss JR, McPhee AJ, Jeffries WS, Robinson JS; Australian Carbohydrate Intolerance Study in Pregnant Women (ACHOIS) Trial Group outcomes.

there is Lots of good evidence based resescrh - irrefutably GD if untreated can be fatal. Before insulin was available, the perinatal mortality associated with diabetes approached 50%. Over the last 60 years, this horrific figure has been reduced to 2% in the best units.

that is horrific reading 50% morbidity.

Have just come back to this - have been to supermarket to buy yet more food for ravenous teenagers.

nappyaddict - she was overdue - 42 weeks plus and regular monitoring of the baby's heart beat showed that the placental function was decreasing as time went on. She refused induction because she didn't believe in intervention. We all tried our best to get her to understand that her baby was struggling - even when it was obvious the baby was dying, she wouldn't agree.

She went into labour eventually, but only after the baby had died.

It was many years ago - or I wouldn't even put this much detail on here. But these things do happen - "natural" doesn't always equal "good".

As for Gestational diabetes - there is a huge difference between the normal small amount of glucose in the urine caused by a lower renal threshold in pregnancy, and the dangerously high blood sugar in true GD.

"she didn't believe in intervention" Someone was telling me the other week how another woman didn't "believe in biscuits". I mean WTF, how far can you take natural?

I'm glad you're going off Leonie before you spread any more ill-informed nonsense. I hope to God you never get GD and have to learn the error of your ways the tough way. Absolutely ridiculous.

suedonim - you are correct about pph and anaemia.

leonied, you are picking and choosing comments about mild glycosuria and lumping it together with GD.

the research that has been done is very clear about the risks of GD.

It is not possible to do controlled clinical trials where one group of patients are known to be at risk of death - not ethical.

3littlefrogs - i ask cos i know someone else who refused induction at 43 weeks and i thought they were crazy. the baby was born with CP - don't know if it was connected or not. How many days passed 42 weeks did the baby die at?

43 weeks. But due dates are never 100% accurate - only within a few days either side really, and everybody is different. That is why monitoring is important.

I must go a cook dinner now. (I really should step away from this thread).

AND cook.

Leonie - I know you don't want to hear this but babies die because of GD. It's one of the few known causes of stillbirth. I've had a stillborn baby. He was born by VD and without pain relief. Fantastic, isn't it? What a fucking shame he was dead. Otherwise what a great story that would have made on parenting boards. I don't know why he died but I think anyone who dismisses the tragedy of stillbirth and doesn't want to hear about GD is just too studpid for words.

"Its little wonder some of you could ever consider a home birth - ohmygod its not the most medicalised high tech thing on the market, can't have that! It therefore cannot be safe! Quick, give me that epidural and get your scissors ready for my episiotomy!"

i thikn that there is a raft of difference between taking seriously the dangers of certain pregnancy related diseases/ conditions and being totally in the thrall of the medics and only wanting medicalised birth

there is at least one posted on this thread who disagrees with you and has had a homebirth

i had my last baby without an epidural or epitsiotomy, am i allowed to voice my opinion?

do you dispute the reality of pre-eclmapisa/ eclampsia as a cause of foetal and maternal death?