@Ubbee ok so I understand that august stamp might be misleading and the advice says to still to do it. I wish in the view of not worrying people they’d also update that page.
But you can check all the studies that have been done yourself, directly at the source, like I’ve done with the one that I found out here that bbc said The UK's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation based their advice on to recommend.
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2104983?query=featured_home
It only looked at pregnancy immediate outcomes, how many miscarriages, live births etc were recorded and said they don’t see any difference with outcomes for unvaccinated women.
all the studies looked at this, none did toxicity bloods for babies, like liver toxicity, and they all give a warning more follow ups for babies are needed to inform outcomes.
RESULTS
A total of 35,691 v-safe participants 16 to 54 years of age identified as pregnant. Injection-site pain was reported more frequently among pregnant persons than among nonpregnant women, whereas headache, myalgia, chills, and fever were reported less frequently. Among 3958 participants enrolled in the v-safe pregnancy registry, 827 had a completed pregnancy, of which 115 (13.9%) were pregnancy losses and 712 (86.1%) were live births (mostly among participants vaccinated in the third trimester). Adverse neonatal outcomes included preterm birth (in 9.4%) and small size for gestational age (in 3.2%); no neonatal deaths were reported. Although not directly comparable, calculated proportions of adverse pregnancy and neonatal outcomes in persons vaccinated against Covid-19 who had a completed pregnancy were similar to incidences reported in studies involving pregnant women that were conducted before the Covid-19 pandemic. Among 221 pregnancy-related adverse events reported to the VAERS, the most frequently reported event was spontaneous abortion (46 cases).
CONCLUSIONS
Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. However, more longitudinal follow-up, including follow-up of large numbers of women vaccinated earlier in pregnancy, is necessary to inform maternal, pregnancy, and infant outcomes.
I talk about liver toxicity bc while this mRNA vaccine technology has been in works for a decade in all that time companies like Moderna failed to make a vaccine that was not toxic for the liver of the animals they tested, it never progressed to human trails. I also had health issues around this and I know how bad while silent this damage can be.
The safe dose was too weak, and repeat injections of a dose strong enough to be effective had troubling effects on the liver in animal studies.
www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/
of course things might have changed since 2017, though again they still didn’t progress with it, and covid is a different disease that what they were working on so maybe it all paned out well. Science progresses and learns from mistakes.
If a mum wants to do it, I’d say do it in the 3rd semester, bc they wording above is troubling
Among 3958 participants enrolled in the v-safe pregnancy registry, 827 had a completed pregnancy, of which 115 (13.9%) were pregnancy losses and 712 (86.1%) were live births (mostly among participants vaccinated in the third trimester).
what was the % of live births for the ones vaccinated before the 3rd trimester ? A bigger % miscarriage rate than normal or same? It could be the parenthesis doesn’t apply just to the 712 but to all 3958? anyway I’m a risk adverse person and maybe I’m reading too much here, it’s not exactly clear to me, so to each its own.
i personally won’t do it for children until there are these toxicity studies in place, if you can find me one, then that’ll give me reassurance. Liver is one test but there is a battery of them under toxicity. Once these are in place, then all science has been done and I’ll be confident to do it to my kids and add it to all the other vaccines they’ve done.