Will you get the Covid Autumn Booster vaccine during pregnant?

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I had my booster vaccine last Christmas, and now 24 weeks pregnant. I was told by the midwife it was recommended pregnant women have a Covid Autumn Booster vaccine.

But I am quite not sure about the side effect, not talking about headaches, arm pain, or illness.

As there is a saying, the covid vaccine is too new, and no one knows the long-term side effect, that maybe affect the baby.

If I am not pregnant, I defo will take the vaccine. but I am not sure now.

Will you have it?

Wise choice. Your immune system is naturally suppressed during pregnancy. Pregnant women who catch covid are at higher risk of a serious case.

There have been many thousands if not millions of vaccinations done during pregnancy and the wording you have provided suggests it was written before these mass vaccinations took place. They have been shown to be safe in pregnancy and while breastfeeding. The advice has not changed at all.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-women-of-childbearing-age-currently-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding/covid-19-vaccination-a-guide-for-women-of-childbearing-age-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding

This page was updated in September 2022 and is therefore more up to date than your info. It still advises to get vaccinated

Check on Pfizer’s page or the others who make the covid vaccines, it takes a bit of time but you’ll find out pregnant women were excluded from the initial large-scale Covid-19 vaccine trials.

God help us, not this rubbish again. Pregnant women are never included in clinical trials for anything. It would be unethical to do so.

But these are not toxicity or long term studies

Toxicity would clearly show itself in regular clinical trials. We have data on the vaccine in use for almost two years. How "long term" do you want? Decades? Vaccines don't work that way. They stimulate an immune system response and are gone. The MRNA vaccines only last hours before breaking down.

I am pregnant and have had mine.

There IS data now on the vaccine in pregnancy and this data is very clear that getting covid in (especially later) pregnancy is dangerous to you and dangerous to your baby, and that the vaccine helps reduce this risk.

That is why the NHS have included pregnant people in the booster programme, because we and our babies are more at risk. And that is why I was pleased to get it.

I had my covid booster vaccine last Christmas at 5 months pregnant. Absolutely zero side effects and give birth to a very healthy and happy baby who thanks to that booster will also benefit from immunity from covid.

Please do not listen to 'advice' or 'guidance' from social media, it's fear mongering.

I don’t understand why on one page from august this year nhs says there are no studies on safety while on other they recommend doing it, but without offering the studies that show it”s safe. It’s like the paradox of Schrödinger’s cat 🐱

a reminder that the thalidomide was in use for many years, if not decades, and only affected a tiny tiny % of children, hence it took a long time to see it (not statistically significant to be noticed from outcomes) and it was still pulled out, eventually.

I am pregnant and have had mine.

There IS data now on the vaccine in pregnancy and this data is very clear that getting covid in (especially later) pregnancy is dangerous to you and dangerous to your baby, and that the vaccine helps reduce this risk.

That is why the NHS have included pregnant people in the booster programme, because we and our babies are more at risk. And that is why I was pleased to get it.

My midwife has not even mentioned the covid vaccine to me. She told me to get my flu jab and whooping cough but covid vaccine wasn’t mentioned. So she obviously doesn’t feel it’s important.
As long as everyone is confident in their own decisions that’s what important. There’s risks to not having the vaccine and there’s risks to having the vaccine. I ask myself would I give it to my young children and the answer is no therefore I wouldn’t give it to my unborn child. I don’t feel confident in the long term impact of it which we actually currently know nothing about.
Everyone should do what is right for them.

Ok so where are the studies approved by nhs that show it’s safe?

have you asked your midwife or consultant? I suppose you did your diligence for your baby?

I don’t want the nhs page that says it’s safe, they don’t t offer any proof there, while they say on the august page there are no studies to prove it’s safe in pregnancy. Your midwives or gp might be acting on old advice.

im also not asking about some studies not peer reviewed from us, I live in uk, where are the studies approved by this gov and nhs showing it’s safe for pregnant women?

Please, I’ll be waiting.

The NHS doesn't "approve" studies. They consider them in making recommendations.

Are pregnant women biologically different in the UK than elsewhere in the world?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-62739554

@CristinaNov182 You are spreading out of date info from 2020 so go away with your scaremongering nonsense

You got me ;). they review and consider if it’s enough data, if it followed proper scientific processes etc, hence approve or recommend.

which ones did nhs review & recommend?

I guess from your name you’re from us so ofc that”s the “world” for you.

Funny how most medical scandals have originated in and from us and us has a bad track of reacting quickly and modifying medical advice, so I’d trust uk more than us.

I think I’ll be waiting a long time to see those studies with the stamp of approval form nhs, won’t I?

Thalidomide is a TERRIBLE comparison to make. I can't believe you would compare a drug tragedy from the 50s that was marketed with zero data, no efficacy or safety, or randomized trials.

They know ibuprofen and NSAIDs can increase risk of miscarriage, because there is data that supports the correlation / causation during pregnancy, which is why we don't take ibuprofen.

It is unethical to test on pregnant women, which is why many drugs aren't able to be recommended in pregnancy. It then becomes an issue of the benefit outweighing the risk. e.g. anti-depressants.

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation recommends vaccination for covid during pregnancy because pregnant women are more at risk of severe covid disease, particularly towards the end of pregnancy. Certain individuals are even more at risk (e.g. have asthma, are over 35, have a high BMI = me).
www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-women-of-childbearing-age-currently-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding/covid-19-vaccination-a-guide-for-women-of-childbearing-age-pregnant-planning-a-pregnancy-or-breastfeeding

Vaccines have been proven to allow mothers to share antibodies with their unborn children throughout pregnancy and within the first months of their lives, also continuing immunity protection further while breastfeeding. e.g. whopping cough vaccine.

This is really rude, everyone is entitled to their opinion. This is supposed to be somewhere where people can safely share their views and opinions. Just because you don’t agree with it.
You do what is best for you and everyone else can make their own informed decisions with the information provided to them.

and from the BMJ
www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj-2021-069741

'Covid-19 vaccination is the safest and most effective way for people who are pregnant to protect themselves and their babies against severe covid-19 disease. Available data do not support an increased risk of adverse outcomes following covid-19 vaccination in pregnancy, so vaccination should be recommended as the benefits of vaccination during pregnancy seem to outweigh any potential risks. The immunogenicity of vaccinations in pregnancy seems to be similar to that in the non-pregnant population; however, the optimal timing of vaccination in pregnancy for neonatal/infant benefit remains uncertain. Additional information on non-mRNA vaccines, vaccination early in pregnancy, and longer term infant outcomes are also needed. Given that pregnant people are at increased risks for severe complications from covid-19, increasing the data and knowledge surrounding vaccination in this population is important to help to reduce vaccine hesitancy. Along with more data, directed personal vaccine counseling by obstetric providers to pregnant patients may also improve vaccination rates. To meet all these goals, pregnant people around the world must be prioritized in covid-19 vaccine research.'

I had both covid jabs in pregnancy and the first booster when breastfeeding. Everything was fine, no side effects. If people want to risk their baby's health / life over unfounded myths and misinformation, that's up to them. I have a healthy and happy baby and no regrets.

When you are using out of date information to form an opinion then its not an informed opinion

I held off until 2nd trimester to have my first vaccine in 2020 (I was already pregnant when my age became eligible), and had the booster at 39 weeks. Baby girl is now 7 months and healthy as a horse! I've been texted about the autumn booster (asthmatic) actually, need to book that in. I did have to have a good think about it when pregnant though as it was so new then, the indecision is understandable.

I hadnt even thought about this, in my head i was just thinking about the flu vaccine. I had covid at 28 weeks, im 31 now so would i need it?

Its weird im happy to have all the injections myself but when it comes to the kids im not sure, just covid not all the others they get as babies.

Ok, so let’s look at what you sent. I like to go to the sources and not believe everything on site.

”What we have learned since 2020
We did not have data at first, because pregnant women were not included in the original Covid-19 vaccine trials.
The NHS's Health Research Authority explains this is "usual...for new vaccine trials", because doctors are extra cautious about doing anything that could affect a developing foetus.
However, some trial participants became accidentally pregnant and, once the vaccine became publicly available, some received it without knowing they were pregnant.
This gave researchers a group of women they could study, who had the jab during pregnancy.
They did not seem any more likely to have miscarriages or other issues.”

these are the 57 women I mentioned earlier, they become accidentally pregnant during the trials, Pfizer itself say this is too small a number to draw any conclusions.

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“Then more research was able to take place.
In 27 studies, across eight countries, involving 316,470 women vaccinated while pregnant, no increased risk of miscarriage, still-birth, premature birth, low birth weight or babies with abnormalities was detected.”

there is no link here. And as I said there have been studies on immediate outcome and they showed no increased risk. These are not toxicity or long term effects studies, A baby can be born with some small liver damage, for ex, appear perfectly healthy and develop issues years later. (I had some liver damage with no symptoms for years and discovered it accidentally, liver diseases are silent)

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“The UK's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation said it also used evidence from the US's V-Safe study, which followed more than 20,000 people vaccinated during pregnancy and found no safety concerns.”

there is a link here and the study concludes with

”CONCLUSIONS
Preliminary findings did not show obvious safety signals among pregnant persons who received mRNA Covid-19 vaccines. However, more longitudinal follow-up, including follow-up of large numbers of women vaccinated earlier in pregnancy, is necessary to inform maternal, pregnancy, and infant outcomes.”

i searched and couldn’t find a direct link to where The UK's Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation said they’ve reviewed this either but it wouldn’t be able to say more than they couldn’t see a risk for immediate outcomes.

none of these studies, even from us, look at blood tests for babies, like to toxicity for the liver or long term outcomes for babies

Yes. I’m 5 months pregnant and had it this week.

I will not be having mine. I did not allow it for my 6 year old, so I will not give it to my baby. There is absolutely no evidence about long term effects. I have had 2 and had issues with times, the first time quite seriously, so I am also finished with it for me.

They have not been shown to be safe at all. They may simply not have adversely affected babies born to mother's who received it YET. To actually know it is safe we need to wait far longer than a couple of years.

There is no obvious adverse affect is the best we can say with certainty.

@CristinaNov182 this is really not true. There has been lots of scaremongering around this recently - please don’t spread it.
fullfact.org/health/government-has-not-removed-pregnancy-guidance/
Please read the link above which explains why people have been confused and jumped on sharing this complete misinformation recently.