*unvaccinated* Will my husband be allowed if I go into labour? (currently isolating due to contact)

[Mysleepingangel]

Hi

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post but here goes.
I'm 37 weeks pregnant and recently had to go into hospital to have my cervical suture removed and stayed until yesterday (24 hrs).
I've just been contacted by the ward to say that someone tested positive for covid there and that I must isolate until 31st

I'm just worried that if I go into labour, will they allow my husband in? Its very likely that I will in the next week or so, obviously can't be 100% sure. Also I'm unvaccinated.

Any experiences appreciated x

@countbackfromten

So from having a very brief look over the data you have just provided I can see that since 01/09/20 to date:

70 currently pregnant women have been ventilated within the first 24 hours of an ICU admission in the UK

9 currently pregnant women have died during an ICU admission.

So in over a one year period, in a country with a population of close to 65 million (Scotland isint included in your report so I've deducted that) 70 covid positive pregnant women were ventilated and 9 covid positive women died.

I'm sure it's in the report if you read closely enough which I will when I have the time later but we don't know anything about these pregnant women, ie BMI, diabetic status, what co morbidities they have etc

@LittleBearPad

I pay zero attention to what anyone on social media writes about Covid, with the exception of Ivor Cummins and Dr Clare Craig who print actual data and facts and not skewed interpretations.

@Ralph871 you keep thinking you are right. I’m going to keep promoting the vaccine and caring for patients. I’m confident in what I am doing and feel sorry for you.

@countbackfromten

I have just repeated your own data back to you which clearly shows the low numbers of pregnant women in ICU with covid, yet you will continue to promote that pregnant women take an experimental vaccine that has zero long term data on the effects?

When I was pregnant a few years ago a pharmacist wouldn't sell me a packet of strepsils for a sore throat yet the RCM and the RCOG are advocating for an experimental vaccine that doesn't even reduce your chances of contracting a virus that there is a roughly 99.9% survival rate from?

Read your own data.

@Ralph871 Yeap I will continue to. Because it is the right thing to do.

Since May the report shows that 27% of women (16-49) who were ventilated were pregnant or recently pregnant.

As I assume you can acknowledge nowhere near 27% of women in that age group will have been pregnant during that time this is pretty good evidence that pregnancy increases the risk of severe covid significantly.

Vaccination reduces that risk markedly.

But you carry on - would you like some fresh tinfoil?

@LittleBearPad 👏🏻

It’s not just ventilators. Me and my colleagues are anecdotally seeing so many more premature births and intrauterine deaths linked to mothers who have had covid, even those who have been relatively well. Covid seems to be doing weird shit to placentas. The research is being done all of the time. Vaccination reduces your risk of so much more than being on a ventilator.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827584/

www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2021.743022/full

www.karger.com/Article/FullText/511324

Reproductive studies have been carried out and shown that there were no negative effects on fertility, foetal, embryo, offspring and pregnancy development.

Caveating this with an acknowledgment that the animals tested and humans are different but we trust these pre-clinical safety studies with all other drugs, there’s no reason to not trust it for the vaccines.

Get your first vaccine now, no plausible link to harming your baby.

Some ask for a negative lateral flow, others don't. Your vaccination status will make no difference tbh, if you have a positive test they will take extra precautions. If oh test positive they may not let him in.
Only way to know for sure is ask your Labour ward what the current rules are there.

My husband wasn't asked for tests, I only had a PCR because I was booked in for an elcs the day after I went in to labour (labour just brought it forward). No tests required for visiting during our 3 night stay either.

I wasn't vaccinated in pregnancy either.

@BudgeSquare - I chose not to get vaccinated because people close to me have suffered adverse reactions to it. They're lucky and have mostly recovered from the vaccine side effects now (and aren't get boosters), but I didn't want to risk that. I know multiple people (including a 94 year old) who have recovered from covid without any long lasting issues so I made my decision based in that and the data around how likely I was to be hospitalised (as a non-pregnant woman in her 30s the risk of being hospitalised from covid is miniscule). Now that I've had covid and have natural immunity, it's reinforced that I made the right decision for me.

@countbackfromten Hi, thanks for posting that link to data - really interesting. However there is no data in there on the vaccination status of the patients. Or did I miss it? I have been wondering where to get this data from .... still haven't managed. Any ideas appreciated.

@ralph871
The vaccine recommended for pregnancy ii RNA molecules. There are years and years of research into RNA and how it functions, how it is processed and degraded. It won't hang around in cells for a long period of time. It instructs the cells to make the viral spike protein, which elicits an immune response. Again natural biological functions that have been researched for years.
There are other ingredients in the vaccine, but again these are not new chemicals/compounds (drugs) , but will be things that have well established safety data and will be small amounts localised in the arm (not like a pill where the aim is to get a generally to get a high concentration throughout the body for extended periods of time).
There is much more unknown about the viruses long term effects, and is certainly a known significant risk factor in pregnancy.
I'm a biologist with over 20 years research experience in drug discovery (and a focus at times on RNA and viruses)-also heavily pregnant and fully vaccinated against covid, flu and whooping cough during pregnancy. I did think much more about the covid vaccine than I have ever thought about other vaccines, but feel very happy with my decision.

I hope the OP is ok and wish her all the best with her birth of her LO. And my understanding of it is that her partner will be allowed in.

Don't know if I'm missing something here but OP is 37 weeks pregnant and has to isolate. By the time her 10 days are up she'll be 39 weeks pregnant and the vaccine isn't effective straight away so all this well meaning advice to get the vaccine is completely pointless because the point that's being missed is she can't leave the house to get it.

Well my friend wasn't ventilated but she came close. Had an end at 35 weeks and both her and the baby were really ill. A year on and she still isn't 100% it's not like the risks to women in the 3rd trimester aren't known

on a medics group I'm on they are asking us to record breastfeeding preferences for women in the 3rd trimester. That's so when unvaccinated pregnant women are ventilated in ITU, if they had wanted to breastfeed, they can get a nurse to pump them a few times a day to keep milk supply up.

That's the most hideous thing I've ever heard, that ITU doctors are seeing so many post partum women in ITU that they have to make these plans, and if it doesn't persuade pregnant women to get the vaccine, nothing will.