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Hyperemesis Support

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LucindaE · 14/08/2021 09:39

I hope everyone suffering from the Horrors of Hyperemesis will find this thread useful as a source of support and information.
There's no TMI on here - can't be by definition - and nobody should feel ashamed of moaning as much as they feel the need to.
MOH's wonderful website is full of useful information on this illness:
sites.google.com/site/pregnancysicknesssos
Another invaluable website is:
www.pregnancysicknesssupport.org.uk
If you need help in obtaining medication, phone them on:
024 7638 2020
Lastly, the NICE guidelines on treatment are useful:
cks.nice.org.uk/topics/nausea-vomiting-in-pregnancy
I would like to thank everyone who has given such invaluable support and advice on this and on previous threads.
It has been suggested that I add some practical tooth cleaning advice: a lot of sufferers find using a child's small toothbrush and strawberry toothpaste far less nauseating.
On my image of a pink castle: that is an image I use because when I was little, my family had a Snakes and Ladders board with an image on the last square of a pink castle in the clouds. As Hyperemesis is so like a grotesque version of Snakes and Ladders - eat a meal, go up a ladder, first thing in the morning bile run, down a snake - I have used the image of that pink castle on the last square of that Snakes and Ladders board as a metaphor for the happy end of Hyperemesis.
Remember when you are at your worst, 'This Too Shall Pass'. It really will.
So many women on this thread have thought they couldn't get through this, but they did.

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RockinRobinn · 11/10/2021 19:57

Hi ladies I just wanted to pop on and send love and strength your way. I welcomed my bundle of joy into the world on the 18th of September. The nausea never left me the whole pregnancy this time even though the vomiting stopped and I'm so happy to not be feeling sick anymore.
Can't help but feel so sad that this will be my last time with a newborn as I really just don't think I can go through being pregnant again even though we wanted 3/4 children. It is completely worth it and I'm so happy I did it a second time as my 3 year old is besotted with her little sister but my god it was so tough in the beginning.
Remember to speak up for yourselves when at dr appointments when you can and accept all the help that is offered as it does make a works of difference.
Oh and omeprazole was a game changer for me too this time.
Thank you to Lucinda again for your encouraging and supportive words through this pregnancy.

LucindaE · 11/10/2021 20:50

RockinRobin Congratulations on baby girl! Flowers Smile Star Thank you so much for your lovely message of enocuragment. It's wonderful you have two LO's now, even if ideally you would have opted for three or four. I am glad the thread helped you.

kalidasa Smile That makes two of you who have been helped a bit by ginger, then. The other took some form of high strength tablets from a health food stores. Interesting about the herbal toothpaste!

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kalidasa · 12/10/2021 10:36

Made it to the midwife this morning who has prescribed me lots of essential oils to mix with water and drink to complement the Xonvea. Has anyone else tried this? I am a bit sceptical but willing to give it a go! (Am in France for anyone who's confused -- midwives can prescribe things here.)

Have just passed 10 weeks so crossing my fingers that I might see a tiny glimmer of improvement before too long. Anyway so pleased to still be at home! Much better than I could have hoped for even if I am super weak and dizzy now (can hardly walk).

Hope everyone else is hanging on and congratulations @RockinRobinn !! I had two a while ago (v severe hg both times), and was sure we'd stop there but as soon as I DS2 popped out I knew I still wanted another one (not at all what I expected to feel after that horrendous pregnancy!) and am pregnant again now. After quite a big gap though as it took ages to persuade DH!

Pleasedontworry · 12/10/2021 11:09

Congratulations @RockinRobinn!

Thanks for the teeth tips ladies. It’s the act of putting something in my mouth that seems to be an issue for me, rather than the taste of toothpaste (although as others have said I’m not even trying after vomiting as I’d read the same about not doing it as it rubs the acid into your teeth - I just rinse). Some great tips on alternative toothpastes though and can’t believe I hadn’t even thought of mouthwash, so thank you. I’m starting to wonder if I’ve got an infection, it’s the gum around my wisdom tooth that hurts, I’ve not had problems with my top wisdom teeth before but had my bottom ones removed because they were in a difficult position and I had recurrent infections… I’m starting to think it feels familiar from back then, and they’ve been the hardest teeth to stand cleaning, so I’m going to give it a few days with well timed attempts to clean them and then brace myself and go to the dentist if needed - my dentist doesn’t let you rinse and spit due to COVID so might have to warn them about my potential for vomiting if I do end up there 🙈🙈🙈

Pleasedontworry · 12/10/2021 11:10

Some great tips on alternative toothbrushes is what I meant, but the alternative toothpaste tips will be great for some as well I’m sure!

RockinRobinn · 12/10/2021 12:04

@kalidasa this is exactly how I feel! I don't feel done but I spent my whole pregnancy saying never again. Even discussed hubby getting a vasectomy and that we will look into adoption. Maybe it's just the hormones talking though. I've heard third pregnancies are commonly the worst what has your experience been?

RockinRobinn · 12/10/2021 12:05

Also I've never heard of essential oils being ingested for nausea I don't think it's something that would be recommended in the UK. I did however find smelling lemon or orange oil helped my nausea.

RockinRobinn · 12/10/2021 12:08

@Pleasedontworry I used an interdental space brush it's really small but I found I could sometimes brush my wisdom teeth with that as it was really small. It's like a mini toothbrush head but a normal length handle. Like this TePe Interspace Brush (Medium) With 12 Heads (Assorted Colors) https://smile.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007QP5MQE/ref=cmswwrcppapiglttfabc9YSYM5E0RRK8HDRNKDCX??encoding=UTF8&psc=1

RockinRobinn · 12/10/2021 12:16

@Pleasedontworry was it ranitidine you were prescribed by any chance it's been banned for infants in recent years? If you're still in search of an anti acid omeprazole is quite commonly given.
Also I completely agree about needing the cyclizine still I didn't come off mine completely until about week 28 and I was about 16 weeks like you and I just said please give me more than ten days of tablets at a time I'm just wasting your time having to continuously call to get an appointment. Everytime I tried to cut down too early I would then be horrendous for a couple of days again. Hoping they don't start making you cut back

Pleasedontworry · 12/10/2021 12:22

@RockinRobinn - yes that’s the one, the pharmacist said she thought it was very strange and outdated. I actually found that the chewable minty gaviscon tablets have helped (I’m luckier than others!) so haven’t asked for anything else. The pharmacist did suggest I drink gaviscon but I really don’t think I could manage that!

kalidasa · 12/10/2021 13:12

Oh yes @Pleasedontworry I took ranitidine in both my previous pregnancies, but I vaguely remember seeing they don't recommend it anymore, I don't know why. I remember my Dad (who was a retired doctor) saying that it was a very good, reliable medicine which had been used for yonks. I've just been prescribed Ésomeprazole (I'm guessing that = omeprazole which @RockinRobinn mentioned?), plus Gaviscon sachets to dissolve and drink, and something else. (They love their prescriptions here in France!) I don't fancy my chances drinking the sachets though so will prob do the omeprazole + continuing with the chewable tablets which I find helpful too.

The essential oils are lemon & chamomile I think -- the lemon says to put a little in a spoonful of water and drink, the chamomile dissolve a larger amount in a litre of water and drink gradually during the day. I haven't got them yet but will give it a go and report back. I agree that I quite like the idea of sniffing the lemon at least! And it all sounds pretty innocuous. She also prescribed me some herbal remedies to help with sleep.

@RockinRobinn I was pretty bemused to feel like that after DS2, I didn't expect it at all and it took me years before I was honest with DH about how I felt (because he was so volubly relieved we never had to do it again!). For me the feeling didn't go away, but I've met several women who felt similarly immediately after birth but then their feelings did change quite fast. To be honest it would have been easier all round if I'd felt "done" as I expected to, but I just really didn't. I am so pleased to be pregnant again and just hoping this one holds on.

Despite loads of pre-emptive meds my second pregnancy was (unbelievably) a lot worse than my first one, which was already pretty extreme, but surprisingly this one has been quite a lot better: I haven't been admitted at all so far and I've passed 10 weeks now, whereas both times before I was an inpatient for weeks and weeks (about a month with DS1, weeks 6-9; a horrific two months with DS2 (7-14)). I started taking Xonvea (which wasn't available in my previous pregnancies) at 6 weeks, so early but not from the start of any nausea, which is what is usually recommended to avoid the worst and is what I did with DS2 to no avail. So I'm not sure whether the Xonvea is just particularly effective for some reason or whether this would have been a less severe pregnancy anyway, perhaps a bit of both. Even at 6 weeks I was already fairly hopeful it wouldn't be quite as bad as DS2 because I was a good deal iller at the same stage with him. Maybe the long gap helped too? I did once read somewhere that HG may be exacerbated by short gaps between pregnancies: DS1 and DS2 are two years apart, so I only had about a 15/16 month gap between the end of one pregnancy and the start of the next. We were both sure we wanted two and I was so dreading doing it again that I wanted to get it "over with". We went for it pretty much as soon as I felt fully recovered from the first pregnancy and then I got pregnant immediately but perhaps in retrospect that was a mistake and a bigger gap would have been better.

Melleebacca · 12/10/2021 17:46

Hi.

I’ve been lurking the last couple of weeks, but I think it’s time to join. Lucinda may remember me. I have 2 x DD (2015 & 2017), and in January 2020 we lost our son at 17wks pregnant due to severe genetic deformities. It’s been a hell of a journey with grief and covid and everything. There’s a 1-2% chance of us having another child with the same issues. But we decided to try again. I’m now 6w5d, and gone severely downhill with HG and nausea in the last 3 days, becoming completely bedridden on Sunday night. I’m on Ondansetron and cyclizine. My latest blood work also had soft markers for genetic issues. My anxiety is through the roof, and I can’t tell anyone I’m pregnant because I don’t want to tell them if we lose it again.
So even posting on here is terrifying because in a few weeks I may have bad news.

kalidasa · 12/10/2021 18:18

Oh @Melleebacca I am so sorry about the son you lost. Nothing like your situation, but I have also been very hesitant to tell anyone this time around because I'm 41, so a higher chance of a miscarriage or problems. At what point will you get any clarity about whether the soft markers mean anything? 2% chance still means a 98% chance of the problem not recurring. 6 weeks is the worst, when it's just getting worse or worse. Are the meds helping at all?

Melleebacca · 12/10/2021 18:37

Hi @kalidasa
I have a scan on Friday, that probably won’t tell me much, but I need accurate dates for the nipt test which I believe I can have the day I turn 10weeks. Another blood test at 9 weeks that will check for more soft markers, and another scan at 11w2d. All the results should be back by 12w. Which is still 37 days of vomiting away.
I’m trying to be positive, but it’s hard when I’m so sick. Plus all my pregnancy symptoms this time are most similar to the one that we lost.

LucindaE · 12/10/2021 21:03

Meleebacca Welcome back. I remember you well, of course, and your loss. Sorry you are suffering so badly already and the tension of worry about the chances of an abnormality. As kalidasa says, that is still an overwhelmingly massive percentage in your favour. You might feel the same as with the lost pregnancy, but that may not mean anything. I was given a one in 33 chance of Downs, and it was awful waiting for the results of the amnio, and I so sympathise.
kalidasa Great advice from you and RockinRobin. Wonderful you've reached 10 weeks unadmitted! You are very brave, and so is RockinRobin, determined to go for it again.
Pleasedon'tworry That stick thing idea which someone recommended sounded worth investigating, and defintely RockinRobin's idea too. Are those the same things which my daughter used for extra tooth cleansing when she had braces?
Waves to all. Apologies to anyone rudely overlooked.

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FateHasRedesignedMost · 13/10/2021 02:24

That’s interesting about gaps between pregnancies, and starting meds early. We have a 6 year gap between DS and this pregnancy (I couldn’t face trying for another the first few years and the last few years I had problems with endometriosis; then I had a lap&dye this summer and was pregnant within 2 months of it). I started ondansetron, omeprazole and metaclopramide early on this time and so far they’re holding the HG at bay, apart from early morning (2am like now) when the meds have worn off. Or when I have a migraine/sinus headache with the nausea, then I end up vomiting no matter what. If I miss a dose or do too much I get sick as well.

Still managing a school run most mornings but then I sleep on and off most of the day. I’ve started cancelling all events and plans as realising it I want to keep the HG at this level I need to almost hibernate.

My first pregnancy I was ill from the start, gradually got worse and by the time I got hold of the meds that worked I was in my third trimester.

I was prescribed ranitidine in that pregnancy too. I’m not sure why it ended up being withdrawn but in the U.K. you can’t get it over the counter anymore.

FateHasRedesignedMost · 13/10/2021 02:42

Melleebacca I’m so very sorry about the son you lost.
I think I remember you from the 2015 thread, I was under a different name (?LilacWine but I had to change it to Lilac-something else after the data leak).

Is it the Harmony Test or Nuchal measurements you’re waiting for? It’s such an anxious time isn’t it. At least a 2% chance is tiny. Stay strong and hope you get the meds that help!

I’m 7+8 and feeling a massive hormonal surge at the moment, my husband keeps saying ‘oh just like last time’ but I don’t remember much from then as i could barely leave the bathroom and every day was a rollercoaster of emotions and despair.

FateHasRedesignedMost · 13/10/2021 02:56

Has anyone got really sensitive about clothing?

I’m approaching 8 weeks, so no bump yet, but my body feels different and my breasts are huge. I can’t stand the feeling of anything tight or anything clinging in the chest area! I got my winter clothes out and put most of them back into the suitcase to return to the attic as they’re all too tight or clingy or the material feels wrong! Even my underwear has gone in the attic.

In the garage I have all my maternity clothes from 2015, vac packed and in a box: but I need husband to drag the box out and open it. It’s probably full of spiders! Normally I don’t mind spiders (apart from steatoda species) but we’ve been through 2 moves since then. I keep imagining them running all over the carpet and not being able to catch them all until they go under the furniture! Husband thinks this is hilarious and my brain’s way of avoiding the box of mat clothes as I associate it with HG 🤦🏻‍♀️😳 He’s probably right!

BuffyFanForever · 13/10/2021 05:26

Hi all, hope you don’t mind me coming back...this thread kept me going through all the many hospital additions when I was pregnant with my twins. Well we went for that extra round of ivf and this time the first embryo transfer stuck (to my great shock and surprise). I’m now in abit of a (total and complete not abit) panic about how I will deal with the hyperemisis if it hits again. Especially as I now have 8 month old twins to deal with but at least not a whole class of kids this time!

FateHasRedesignedMost · 13/10/2021 06:54

BuffyFanForever massive congratulations!
Totally understandable to be worried about HG. Although some women have an easier time second time around, especially if you had twins before and a singleton pregnancy this time.
I had terrible HG back in 2015 but this time I’m managing ok with medications (I started ondansetron and metaclopramide very early on advice from the doctor). Also it’s less scary the second time as it’s less like a journey into the unknown.
How far along are you?

BuffyFanForever · 13/10/2021 06:57

Thanks @FateHasRedesignedMost! I’m very early. Today is my official test day but we tested early and it’s been positive for about a week already. We did transfer 2 but only because none of our single transfers ever worked but won’t know if it’s one or two till early scan. Really glad the meds are working for you. When did you start them? My go was pretty good last time so hoping if I need meds will be able to get them again but fingers crossed!

FateHasRedesignedMost · 13/10/2021 07:02

If anyone needs a laugh this morning, I was in the kitchen (having been up since 2am) when my son called from the lounge:

‘Mummy I just swallowed my granola bar the wrong way and threw up on the carpet’

So I rushed into the room with a tea towel and bowl, checked he was ok (he’s fine he just ran whilst eating which he knows not to do) then I looked around the dimly lit room and asked where he’d thrown up.

‘You’re standing in it, Mummy!’

Then I realised both my socks were warm and wet 🤦🏻‍♀️😳 he’d been sick in the middle of the rug! I thought he meant he’d spat the granola bar out but he’d vomited it plus the glass of juice he’d had with it because it ‘jumped into my throat then jumped back out!’

Luckily he found it hilarious that I stepped in it, and I’m maxed out on ondansetron so managed to see the funny side. While I was cleaning it he reminded me of all the funny places I’ve thrown up!

Ah mornings.

FateHasRedesignedMost · 13/10/2021 07:05

BuffyFanForever

That’s so exciting! And good that your GP is happy to prescribe. I started taking meds around week 5 when I started to feel sick and had the first vomiting episode, I think they’ve stopped it getting as bad as before.

BuffyFanForever · 13/10/2021 07:14

Ah @FateHasRedesignedMost that really made me laugh. Glad the meds helped you and I think we do all have stories of strange places we couldn’t stop ourselves being sick!

Pleasedontworry · 13/10/2021 12:50

@FateHasRedesignedMost that’s made me laugh too! Thanks!

I’ve broken and spoken to the dentist. She wants to pull my tooth this afternoon, she says I’d always have had issues as it’s over extended itself where the bottom one was taken out (although I can’t imagine my inability to clean properly has helped). Now, obviously, I’m having a bad day and have already been vomiting today. I’ve warned her. Please cross your fingers I don’t vomit in her face.