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top tips for surviving first few months with TWO

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bakedpotato · 05/11/2004 12:51

just met someone i vaguely know, out with her new baby (3 wks) and toddler. she looked, bless her, like death. she nearly cried over me. said it was soooo much harder this time around (though, happily, certain things, like feeding, are much easier with no2). hopefully she will give me a shout if she wants to offload toddler i begged her to but i'm not sure she will even remember this encounter by now.

feeling a bit doomy: my 2nd is due in jan. PLEASE share your top tips for getting through the first few months?

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KBear · 05/11/2004 13:00

My top tips are: worry about your children's and your own needs FIRST; ignore dust, ironing and unncessary chores; accept help graciously when it's offered - don't try to do it all yourself and get your guests to make their own tea when they visit!

enid · 05/11/2004 13:02

OOOhhh don't worry, its not that bad - she probably looked awful due to lack of sleep. My top tip would be to concentrate on the toddler and let the baby fit in for the first few weeks. How old will your first be in Jan - dd1 was 2.9 when dd2 was born and although she didn't like her much for a while, the practicalities were fine.
Also I liked having two because you had a reason to forget about everything except being a mum - didn't have to try to be superwoman anymore and fit in loads of going out etc.

enid · 05/11/2004 13:03

also go to the supermarket on your own with them both asap - it wont be as bad as you thought and you'll feel totally capable and sorted

popsycal · 05/11/2004 13:03

will watch this thread with interest......

futurity · 05/11/2004 13:12

me too..number 2 due in Feb when DS will be 3!

bakedpotato · 05/11/2004 13:14

dd will be 3+2

keep em coming

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nicmum2boys · 05/11/2004 13:15

If you can't face the supermarket shop online and get it delivered, sooo much easier . Or if you do go shopping, coincide it with a mealtime (we would go for breakfast). This worked for me as DS1 sees a cooked brekkie at Tesco's as a treat, plus he's already had a good meal so you don't need to worry if it all goes to pot later!
If your toddler will snuggle up on the sofa with you and watch a video while the baby sleeps it's a good way of sneaking a bit of daytime shuteye.
I found the first 4 weeks the worse, but even they didn't seem quite so bad as I feared, as I knew it wouldn't last forever, whereas with DS1 I thought my life would always be like it was in the early weeks. It's really not as bad as you might think, honestly!!

crunchie · 05/11/2004 13:17

My only tip is to (if you can) make sure your dh gets up with the toddler leaving you to sleep in a bit. What I found was that my newborn woke at 6 for a feed, but the 2 yr old used to get up at 7.30 - 8. Therefore dh would get up then, leaving me and new baby to sleep through until 9 or even 10 (this was always her deepest sleep!) This way when I got up I didn't feel like death and was able to be awake all day.

However it only works if your partner can be around or can take the toddler off to nursery/school/grannys while you get that extra hour or two sleep.

morningmayhem · 05/11/2004 13:26

I have 4 children the eldest is only 5 and to be honest I have had no real problems at all. The babies just seem to fit in. My top tip would be to try and get out of the house at least once a day, even if its just for a short walk. We always feel so much better for it.

popsycal · 05/11/2004 13:28

ds will be 2y 7m when i am due.....

beginning to dread the first few weeks already

puddle · 05/11/2004 13:37

For me, the second time was not a shock in terms of dealing with a newborn, the lack of sleep etc. I felt more confident and it was all much easier. The tricky things are the logistics of getting through the day with two little people with often conficting demands!

Think about the routine you already have with your toddler - how will you accomplish it with a baby as well? Make any changes that you need to make now so you don't have to change your child's routine at all when the baby arrives. Eg our ds used to have bedtime stories in our bed before going to sleep in his own bed - we changed this knowing the baby would be asleep in our room. Encourage your toddlers independence as much as possible eg dressing him/her self, getting bowls and cutlery out for breakfast etc.

There are some good products you can buy now to make life easier - we got a self supporting bath seat for the baby which meant that I could bath both at the same time which they both loved.

Accept any help - especially to take the baby so you can have time on your own with your toddler. If you're breastfeeding try and express asap so other people can feed the baby too. Agree with those who have said concentrate on the toddler rather than the baby - but try from the start to help your toddler view the baby as a person you need to look after too (with the toddler's help) The people I know who had real problems with jealousy later on were those who ignored the baby in favour of the toddler every time they both needed attention - the older child then took their cues from this behaviour. HTH

Sallie · 05/11/2004 13:47

get digital tv for the winter months - cbeebies works wonders when you are still in the feeding every few hours stage and have a bored toddler. I only have 17 months between my two. Have to say, I found the transition from 1-2 harder than 0-1 but it does get easier, especially when you hit those various watersheds like the baby smiling back at you and then sleeping through. It gets significantly better when no 2 is sitting and is more contented. I think the advice about letting the baby just fit in around you and your no 1 is great - thats what I did and seems to have worked. Online supermarket shopping is also a must, as long as they don't run out of vital products like nappies and milk!!
Getting a cleaner is a good idea if you have some spare pennies and even if you don't, don't be afraid to ask family and friends for help. This week when dd was sick and in hospital and I had to work on the day I usually don't work, my sister looked after ds and had a wonderful time. people do like to feel needed!! Best of luck. I am now aiming for a no 3 so can't be that

Utka · 05/11/2004 14:28

DD1 was relatively easy, so I thought no 2 would just slot into existing routine. I therefore got a bit of a shock when DD2 arrived. As there's a 3 year gap between them I'd forgotten those first few weeks...

For me, the first 8 weeks were terrible (mainly because DD2 screamed so much until we had cranial osteo sessions, which sorted her out, but that's another story).

Things I'd now recommend:

If you can afford it, or have willing family / friends, get help with cleaning and ironing for the first month. I have a fab friend who would come round, make me tea and then do the hoovering whilst we talked! Most people tend to feel a bit more positive if their surroundings are not out of control too..

On the same note, a small point, but an important one: make a stock of treats for yourself, and pop them away in a cupboard - a magazine, a scented candle, some wonderful shower gel or a new pair of slippers - that way you can treat yourself to something when you feel low or need a physical boost.

Arrange playdates for the toddler, but get them used to this now, if they've not done it yet, so that they don't feel excluded when the baby arrives. Again, I have a couple of friends who regularly took the older one off to burn off energy in the park - essential in the winter months when you won't feel like standing in the cold with the baby in the pram (not to mention trying to b/f them there if you're intending to!)

Get lots of suitable videos / CBeebies on hand for feeding time. Alternatively, put together a bag of special goodies (books, new toys, sticker pads etc.) that only comes out at this time. (However, I found it tricky turning pages whilst b/f).

Get your shopping online (Sainsbury's currently delivers free on Tues, Wed, Thurs for orders over about £70.)

See if you can get help occasionally for the 4-7pm period to cover tea, bath and bedtime. This was the time I found the hardest, when the baby cried and needing feeding lots, but the toddler was also knackered, yet needing to maintain her regular routine. Do you have any willing reliable year 10/11/12/13 girls nearby, who might appreciate a bit of extra cash, or are doing their Duke of Edinburgh award (does this qualify for the community service bit?!). I found an extra pair of hands, plus another adult to talk to, made all the difference.

Prepare and freeze as many meals as you can in advance, so that supper is there, quick and healthy. My dad and MIL did this for me, being unable to help in other ways. Friends also popped over with the odd cassarole (better than yet more baby toys!)

Don't expect much of yourself or the children for the first 8 weeks. Clear your diary, let friends and family know that you will be taking things as they come, and not to worry if you disappear off the planet for a while.

Don't expect the toddler to understand the need to keep quiet. I remember being suddenly amazed at how loud DD1 is - you interpret the behaviour of the older one through the baby's eyes and the temptation is to see the toddler as much more capable than they are. I have to remind myself that DD1 is still only 3.5.

Remember that babies' routines change, so just when you think you've got it sorted, the bathtime / bedtime routine will change, again! Initially I felt so torn between the two of them - I felt like I was failing both, but gradually, as DD2 has become more of a little person, and less of a blob, things have got much easier. By about 4/5 months, things had definitely got to the stage where tea / bath and bed were not stressful any more.

Hang on in there - it's wonderful when the younger one starts to recognise their older brother / sister as much as you. We now feel as though we are a family, rather than a couple with a child.

popsycal · 05/11/2004 14:32

utka that was a lovely post with lots of helpful stuff

thanks so much for taking the time to reply

bakedpotato · 05/11/2004 14:50

so useful, lots to think about, thankyou for putting so much thought into it
the prospect of getitng through the tea/bathtime session is freakin' me out. one friend with 3 kids calls it 'the suicide hour'.

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blossomhill · 05/11/2004 14:50

Leave the housework as much as possible. It will always be there tomorrow. Rest as much as you can and let dh take over (if possible) some of the night feeds at weekends to give you at least 1 good night uninterrupted sleep.

stickynote · 05/11/2004 14:51

utka has said most things i was going to say but I'd add:

before having no. 2, when you're out with friends, try to hold as many other children/babies on your lap as you can (not all at the same time, obviously) to get no. 1 used to the idea of another small person demanding your time.

do not zoom to no. 2's side every time they make a tiny squeak at night in case they wake up no. 1 - you will regret it in the long run.

roisin · 05/11/2004 14:53

I have 22 months between my two boys, and my top tip would be to try and work a routine where you can get them both 'done' at the same time ... so bath them together, get them dressed together, feed them together where possible. A friend gave me this tip and it really helped me.

IME the first few weeks, and indeed the first few months were a lot EASIER than I anticipated. Hope that gives you some hope

bakedpotato · 05/11/2004 14:55

puddle -- like the sound of self-supporting bath seat,can you remember who made it?

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Bronze · 05/11/2004 15:21

I'm glad I found this thread, its very reassuring. I'm due my second boy in 20ish days and with an 19 month gap was dreading it, i feel more confident now. Thank you

secur · 05/11/2004 15:26

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mummytummy · 05/11/2004 15:41

DD1 was two weeks short of being 2 when DD2 was born. We concentrated mainly on DD1 and let DD2 fit in with us. Also, if DD2 was crying, we used to include DD1 by saying "do you think she's hungry? Shall we try and see?" etc. I think 2nd children tend to be more laid back because they have to!! The lack of sleep is the tricky one at the beginning, but other than that it is fine. I do all my shopping on internet, do tidying up as I go along, and try not to make too many arrangements in one day (I used to accept invitations because I felt guilty saying no). The difficulty now that she is 6 months and crawling is trying to keep her from DD1s toys, crayons, etc. Also, since weaning her, I am finding time is being zapped away. If I could give you any advice, if you are planning to use home-cooked weaning food, prepare it well before weaning, because I'm finding this is the tricky part!

blossomhill · 05/11/2004 15:51

One other vital thing I did (My 2 are now 5 and nearly 7, had 19 month age gap) is to tell visitors when they come to not go straight to the baby. The baby doesn't know what's happening wheras your toddler will be well aware if people don't go to them first. So ask visitors to make a huge fuss of your toddler before going to the baby. Made a big difference! Also buy the toddler a present from the baby when the baby is born. I think it's a really nice way to introduce the baby to your toddler.
Try and get some time with the older child without the baby. A trip to the park, cinema, macdonalds or whatever you both enjoy. Just so you get a bit of quality time to spend. If you can't stretch to that then maybe get someone to come and watch the baby whilst you play with the older one at home.
It is hard but does get much easier, honest

sweetheart · 05/11/2004 15:56

Keep these coming - they are great!!!

I'm expecting No2 in June - so lots of time to prepare. My dd will be 5 by the time this one arrives so I plan on using as much free child labour as possible !!!!!!

pamina3 · 05/11/2004 16:01

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