Covid Vaccine

[chelley123]

Hi, has anyone had the COVID vaccine? I'm due to get mine next weekend but still confused if I should do it. Please share your experiences or thoughts!!

There is no reason to believe the vaccine can cause harm to your baby. It isn't new technology, it has been around a while and used previously in pregnancy for Zika, Ebola and others. It's not a new vaccine. It's a hard decision because it seems rushed and fast and the advice has changed but it's changed because scientists know more now. Hundreds of Thousands of woman have had this vaccine in pregnancy now with no reported side effects. What we do know is covid can be extremely dangerous to pregnant woman, especially in 3rd trimester. 1 in 10 pregnant woman in hospital with covid need ICU care, 1 in 5 go on to have premature babies. Vast majority of these woman have had no vaccine. Obviously some woman will be ok, but it's hard to justify the risk for me.

I had my first at 24 weeks, and my 2nd at 32 weeks. I am very happy with my decision, I don't feel scared now and can enjoy the remainder of my pregnancy without having to isolate and panic.

Copied and pasted from elsewhere. Get the vaccine.

When vaccine trials began, pregnant individuals were categorized as “vulnerable” as a precaution, which is a default for all clinical trials. Many unfounded claims began to surface due to this recommendation. One of the most oft-repeated myths is vaccines cause infertility and lead to poor outcomes during pregnancy.

The myth that COVID-19 vaccines impact fertility is patently false. The placental protein, Syncytin-1, is not similar enough to the coronavirus spike protein to be confused by antibodies. It is important to note that both infection and vaccination produce antibodies against the coronavirus spike proteins. As for men, neither of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines affected the parameters associated with fertility such as semen volume, sperm concentration, sperm motility, or total count of motile sperm.

Further, with about 300,000 pregnant health care workers vaccinated, there has been ample data studying the impact of vaccination on fertility. Although the early trials didn’t specifically evaluate the vaccine in pregnant individuals, 23 women volunteers in the Pfizer study became pregnant (and the 1 individual who suffered pregnancy loss was in the placebo group). Moreover, developmental and reproductive toxicity studies didn’t show any adverse effects on reproduction or fetal development.

Studies that specifically examined fertility & pregnancy-related variables found that IgG antibody levels didn’t impact follicular function nor fertilization processes. In fact, mRNA vaccines were found to induce a strong maternal immune response that was effectively transferred to the fetus/baby (passively/nursing). A study of 15,060 pregnant people in Israel found that Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination was associated with lower risk of infection.
The CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Pregnancy Registry in V-Safe has tracked 35,000 pregnant people after vaccination. There has been no increase in miscarriages or other maternal or neonatal adverse events.

It is COVID-19 infection that puts pregnant individuals at higher risk of poor outcomes including preterm delivery. The risks of infection far outweigh the risks of vaccination, with no evidence of impact on fertility or pregnancy outcomes.

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Sources:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/the-covid19-vaccine-and-pregnancy-what-you-need-to-know
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html
https://theconversation.com/covid-19-vaccines-do-not-make-women-infertile-153550
https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/2/596
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777024
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.09.21255195v1
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.30.21258079v1
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782047?guestAccessKey=119e3c9e-dcab-42ff-95ce-e9fb7ff5e1c9&utmsource=silverchair&utmmmedium=email&utmcampaign=articleealert-jama&utmcontent=olf&utmm_term=071221.%E2%A0%80
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2104983
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vsafepregnancyregistry.html
https://www.urologytimes.com/view/study-shows-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-affect-male-fertility
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/28/coronavirus-vaccines-dont-cause-infertility/
https://medium.com/wadepthealth/can-the-vaccine-impact-fertility-d3273ef3a58
https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(20)31422-8/fulltext
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2685803/

I just had my first at 13 weeks. Hope I’ve done the right thing 🤞🏻

[quote physicskate]Copied and pasted from elsewhere. Get the vaccine.

When vaccine trials began, pregnant individuals were categorized as “vulnerable” as a precaution, which is a default for all clinical trials. Many unfounded claims began to surface due to this recommendation. One of the most oft-repeated myths is vaccines cause infertility and lead to poor outcomes during pregnancy.

The myth that COVID-19 vaccines impact fertility is patently false. The placental protein, Syncytin-1, is not similar enough to the coronavirus spike protein to be confused by antibodies. It is important to note that both infection and vaccination produce antibodies against the coronavirus spike proteins. As for men, neither of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines affected the parameters associated with fertility such as semen volume, sperm concentration, sperm motility, or total count of motile sperm.

Further, with about 300,000 pregnant health care workers vaccinated, there has been ample data studying the impact of vaccination on fertility. Although the early trials didn’t specifically evaluate the vaccine in pregnant individuals, 23 women volunteers in the Pfizer study became pregnant (and the 1 individual who suffered pregnancy loss was in the placebo group). Moreover, developmental and reproductive toxicity studies didn’t show any adverse effects on reproduction or fetal development.

Studies that specifically examined fertility & pregnancy-related variables found that IgG antibody levels didn’t impact follicular function nor fertilization processes. In fact, mRNA vaccines were found to induce a strong maternal immune response that was effectively transferred to the fetus/baby (passively/nursing). A study of 15,060 pregnant people in Israel found that Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination was associated with lower risk of infection.
The CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Pregnancy Registry in V-Safe has tracked 35,000 pregnant people after vaccination. There has been no increase in miscarriages or other maternal or neonatal adverse events.

It is COVID-19 infection that puts pregnant individuals at higher risk of poor outcomes including preterm delivery. The risks of infection far outweigh the risks of vaccination, with no evidence of impact on fertility or pregnancy outcomes.

Want more Unbiased Science? Check out our Patreon!
patreon.com/unbiasedscience

Sources:
[[https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/the-covid19-vaccine-and-pregnancy-what-you-need-to-know]]
[[https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html]]
[[https://theconversation.com/covid-19-vaccines-do-not-make-women-infertile-153550]]
[[https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/2/596]]
[[https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777024]]
[[https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.09.21255195v1]]
[[https://www.jci.org/articles/view/150319]]
[[https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.30.21258079v1]]
[[https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782047?guestAccessKey=119e3c9e-dcab-42ff-95ce-e9fb7ff5e1c9&utm]]source=silverchair&utmmmedium=email&utmcampaign=articleealert-jama&utmcontent=olf&utmm_term=071221.%E2%A0%80
[[https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2104983]]
[[https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/vsafepregnancyregistry.html]]
[[https://www.urologytimes.com/view/study-shows-covid-19-vaccines-do-not-affect-male-fertility]]
[[https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/28/coronavirus-vaccines-dont-cause-infertility]]/
[[https://medium.com/wadepthealth/can-the-vaccine-impact-fertility-d3273ef3a58]]
[[https://www.ajog.org/article/S0002-9378(20)31422-8/fulltext]]
[[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2685803]]/[/quote]
One can cite anything in support of these vaccines but nobody can state definitively that they will have no long-term effects on fertility or anything else. We just don't know.

@Confused521 so now you just ignore science? One could argue that the long term effects of drinking water is dying. Choosing to ignore the published studies and the science of vaccines, while also ignoring the serious risks posed by covid is to not only endanger yourself, but others.

You ignore the available science because..? Ignorance? Lack of understanding? Being stubborn? Stupidity? It just 'doesn't sit well with you? Gut feeling? What?

You will be fine you don't need it

You cannot possibly know that. Absolutely irresponsible nonsensical post.

You're more likely to have a stillbirth or premature birth without the vaccine. You're considered high risk after 28 weeks of pregnancy because your lungs are being crushed by baby. I've had both my jabs for these reasons. It also has shown not to cross the placental barrier so there's really no reason it would affect baby.
www.bbc.com/news/health-57193361

There is no known mechanism by which the available vaccines could harm a pregnancy or have a long-term effect on fertility. There are, however, known mechanisms by which COVID-19 can cause severe illness, premature birth and death (of one or both of the pregnant individual and the developing baby).

Nobody can give out 10/20 year longitudinal follow-up data, because that data doesn't exist. What we do have, though, is data from around the world looking at how COVID-19 can affect people, real-world data that the available vaccines to protect against it have not had any demonstrable effect on pregnancies, and decades of research data, including longitudinal studies, showing how the vaccines we use routinely in our society are safe.

It's not under trial any more than any other approved medicine, that's just false information peddled by anti vaxxers.
Hidden ingredients?

'One can cite anything in support of these vaccines but nobody can state definitively that they will have no long-term effects on fertility or anything else. We just don't know.'

Do you know that getting Covid won't affect your fertility in years to come?
I do know that some people who get Covid and end up in ITU wake up unable to walk, takes months or years to built up again, their kidneys can be damaged, their hearts, lungs, brains ruined. But meh it's fine, I won't trust a fully tested and safe vaccine... I'll just have a cigarette as well and ignore actual factual medical advice while pregnant because it'll probably be fine, and doctors don't know what they're talking about. 🤦‍♂️

[quote physicskate]@Confused521 so now you just ignore science? One could argue that the long term effects of drinking water is dying. Choosing to ignore the published studies and the science of vaccines, while also ignoring the serious risks posed by covid is to not only endanger yourself, but others.

You ignore the available science because..? Ignorance? Lack of understanding? Being stubborn? Stupidity? It just 'doesn't sit well with you? Gut feeling? What?[/quote]
There is no science on long-term effects! I'm not ignoring the existing science, I am waiting on some long-term data before making a decision to inject my body with it. I'm not going to rush ahead and do that while it's being trialled.

@HalloHello

'One can cite anything in support of these vaccines but nobody can state definitively that they will have no long-term effects on fertility or anything else. We just don't know.'

Do you know that getting Covid won't affect your fertility in years to come?
I do know that some people who get Covid and end up in ITU wake up unable to walk, takes months or years to built up again, their kidneys can be damaged, their hearts, lungs, brains ruined. But meh it's fine, I won't trust a fully tested and safe vaccine... I'll just have a cigarette as well and ignore actual factual medical advice while pregnant because it'll probably be fine, and doctors don't know what they're talking about. 🤦‍♂️

Look, how you evaluate how to live your life, pregnant or not, is nothing to do with anyone else. I'm not comfortable yet with accepting this vaccine. I am not an "anti-vaxxer", I am weighing this up personally for me and at the moment, leaning very much into the 'not going there' territory. This would be the case if I wasn't pregnant but I feel more strongly about not having it, now that I am.

You do realise that the vaccine only lasts a few days in your body before it's broken down? It doesn't cross the placenta (doesn't even leave your arm muscle).

The long term effects of vaccines are known.

So how long do you wait for 'long term effects' (ie none because the vaccine doesn't stay in your body) to have studies done when you reject the current studies that have been done??

You can't have your cake and eat it. You can't say to others that you reject the science and then say I'm waiting for the science.

I, personally, don't care whether you as an individual choose to get the vaccine or not. Actually, I do. Because of 100% of the people who can get the vaccine do, this shit show might end.

What I do take issue with is your unreasoned arguments and scaremongering. You have opinions (which is totally legit and fine to have) but you don't seem to be able to back them up at all.

• You do realise that the vaccine only lasts a few days in your body before it's broken down? It doesn't cross the placenta (doesn't even leave your arm muscle).

The long term effects of vaccines are known.

So how long do you wait for 'long term effects' (ie none because the vaccine doesn't stay in your body) to have studies done when you reject the current studies that have been done??

You can't have your cake and eat it. You can't say to others that you reject the science and then say I'm waiting for the science.

I, personally, don't care whether you as an individual choose to get the vaccine or not. Actually, I do. Because of 100% of the people who can get the vaccine do, this shit show might end.

What I do take issue with is your unreasoned arguments and scaremongering. You have opinions (which is totally legit and fine to have) but you don't seem to be able to back them up at all.*
I agree with this completely.

Had 1st at 14 weeks, 2nd booked for 22 weeks

I am expressing my own opinion about my personal relationship with this vaccination. I am not telling anyone else to have it or not to have it and that is my prerogative.

Never in living history has 100% uptake of an emergency vaccination been required to allow people to freely move around and it is an unachievable goal. Outside of Mumsnet, it seems, a very low number of pregant women have taken the vaccine - understandably with the mixed array of info coming at them from every channel. "Avoid alcohol and soft cheese entirely but yeah, sure get yourself injected with this new thing, even if you probably have immunity and we have no idea of the risk vs benefit to you or your baby personally..."

Get it if you want and don't if you don't. It is personal choice :)

@Confused521 there's actually quite a lot of data about risks vs benefits of the vaccines, from the research data sources I mentioned above.

We understand how the vaccines work, that there are no known mechanisms for any of the available vaccines to harm a developing baby, that serious side-effects are extremely rare... We also understand how the actual COVID-19 virus can affect people in very serious ways, and that the incidence of serious illness from COVID-19 is orders of magnitude greater than the risks of serious side-effects from the available vaccines.

Whether you get the vaccine or not is up to you, but please don't say "we have no idea" about the safety of the vaccines when we actually have lots of data on which our recommendations are based.

I never said "we have no idea". I said that, in my opinion, there is insufficient (long-term) data available in order for me to make an informed decision about getting myself vaccinated for COVID-19 at this point in time.

You used those exact words in your post above, though...

I said: "nobody can state definitively that they will have no long-term effects on fertility or anything else." Which they can't and while some people are happy to make the decision on the basis of what "science" is already available, being coerced or peer-pressured, plenty of others like me are not.

What you're quoting is me saying that the "scientists" literally have no idea of the risks vs benefits IN RELATION TO ME, MY pregnancy and this vaccine.

Why are you putting scientists in quotation marks? I'm confused by that.

So how long term do you need? Do you know the flu vaccine changes every year? Do you also require 'long term' studies before you get your (yearly) flu vaccine?

For most people, covid is relatively short lived. So it doesn't make as much sense to need longer term studies than you would need on, say, the hpv vaccine (as it takes years for cancer to reveal itself).

Your argument is really counter-intuitive.

Because even 10 years down the line, you could argue this 'no long term studies' malarky. But actually, what long term studies make sense for a vaccine with known and understood mechanisms, lasts only a few days before your body breaks it down, and is shown to be effective in the short term against a virus with known morbidities and mortalities that you are at increased risk for.

Vaccines work when enough people get them to stop their spread. So really, the 'personal choice' argument continues to put not only you, but others at risk as well. It's an argument I have trouble justifying, but can't fully reject either.

And I think we're in even bigger trouble if your calling reasoned discussion and debate 'peer pressure'. This isn't at all what peer pressure is about.

It's ok to admit when knowns change. It's ok to admit when we don't know things as well.

I still go back to my question about why you ignore the available studies and science?

And clinical data does show how viruses, vaccines, medications, etc. affect individuals within particular demographics, such that if someone is asking "how will this thing affect me given my particular circumstances and medical history?", they should be able to get a reliable indicator of that.

We don't have 10 year/ 20 year etc data on this vaccine or this virus, just as we don't for a lot of medications - if something hasn't been around for an amount of time, a study can't cover that time. We do, however, have decades' worth of high-quality data about vaccines and coronaviruses. This data isn't based on Google searches or social media - it's rigorously collected and analysed by experts with years of experience in how to conduct and interpret good quality research.