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Talk about every stage of pregnancy, from early symptoms to preparing for birth.

Covid vaccine

146 replies

Nashsophie13 · 30/04/2021 06:43

Hi all. I know this is going to be a very divided chat. But I'm wondering what everyone's views are on being pregnant and having the vaccine? I really didn't want to have it done and i haven't been called for it yet as I'm 33. Previously had a miscarriage so this time round I'm even more skeptical of things. I'm now wondering whether I should get it when I'm asked. It's a hard one isn't it

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TedLife · 05/05/2021 15:10

I am struggling to get an appointment for the correct vaccine too. Is anyone else finding that their GP is just refusing to help? Mine keeps saying they have nothing to do with vaccines and telling me to call 119.

I did speak to 119 today and had an INCREDIBLE conversation with them. The man on the booking line told me that:

  1. Pregnant women were not being offered the vaccine (false)
  2. That "we only offer the Astra Zeneca vaccine" - when pressed about who "we" were he said "The NHS".
  3. I would need to speak to my hospital hub about this - I asked who was my hospital hub and he told me to "google it".

He then bizarrely asked me if I had already had my first vaccine which meant he clearly wasn't really listening to me. At this point I asked him to please update his knowledge on the pandemic if he's manning a helpline and said goodbye.

Aozora13 · 05/05/2021 16:08

@TedLife just had the same rigmarole! GP said they weren’t doing vaccines and gave me the number of NHS England who said I needed a referral from the GP. GP initially said they couldn’t do that (unclear why not) but went away and thought about it then came back to tell me they are emailing NHS England to request they contact me to make an appointment. Oh. My. Goodness.

I’m lucky in that my GP receptionist is actually a helpful soul, they just don’t seem to know how the system works, given it’s all pretty new and somewhat complicated! You could try again and ask specifically for them to make the referral to NHS England?

murmur12 · 05/05/2021 17:09

Similar experience here. GP told me to speak to 119, which I was sure was the wrong advise but I called them anyway. 119 was very apologetic that I was provided with the wrong advise and told me this has to be sorted by the GP. I contacted the GP again, radio silence for 2 days so far so I will try to get something out of them tomorrow. I really don't think they know how to handle this but can't say I am surprised. We had an infertility journey leading up to the pregnancy and many times they provided us with the incorrect information or as somebody else mentioned actually googled things in front of my eyes Confused

MintGreenLife · 05/05/2021 18:46

Just hopping on here as I am 27 + 3 with first baby and had a call from my GP today offering me the vaccination. I was very surprised - I'm 32 with no underlying health conditions or reason to be called for the vaccination before my age group is invited. I was just told they have been instructed to offer it to all of their pregnant patients.

Very torn as to what to do. I have watched the Facebook live linked here. Before I watched it I was leaning towards not having the jab due to the unknown about whether it may have a longterm impact on baby, however found the statement that the jab 'shouldn't' cross the placenta and so shouldn't even reach baby very interesting and is now making me think otherwise. Such a difficult decision to make!

Seahawk80 · 06/05/2021 08:46

Just to update, I spoke to my GP today who said given that I had a miscarriage in my last pregnancy and the level of cases at the moment and that I don't have any extra contact with people at work she recommended waiting until after 14 weeks. Obviously that was advice based on my circumstances but it does seem that's the general advice unless you have underlying health conditions/ risk at work. She did definitely recommend vaccination in the second trimester.

murmur12 · 06/05/2021 09:01

Just to give a quick update. I managed to speak to the GP again, well more to the truth to the reception who confirmed what the doctor said but anyway apparently they coded my pregnancy onto the system so I hope whenever I get around they will have the right vaccine for me. Not sure if there is any option to call ahead to make sure I don't turn up for the wrong one...I expect not. It should be still a few weeks before they get to my ages group (37) and I intend to wait until the 1st trimester is over (currently only at 6 wks).

MyBabyBoyBlue · 06/05/2021 12:43

Update here too - my GP called today to say they're referring me to a hospital with the right vaccine. It can take a couple of weeks apparently to get booked in but at least that way they can guarantee the right one. It definitely seems like GPs are getting to grips with it.

PlanetSmurf · 06/05/2021 13:59

I am in the US where pregnancy is considered an underlying health condition for Covid vaccination purposes, so I was offered the vaccine as a priority group about 10 weeks ago, at 25 weeks. I also initially really struggled with the decision, but several reasons made me decide to go for it:

  1. my midwife was very encouraging about getting the vaccine, and told me that there is no scientific reason why the vaccine would cross the placenta. At that point there was already data from pregnant women getting the vaccine for 3+ months and no adverse effects had been detected. When googling about it, I came across many many news articles about OB/GYNs who basically all recommended that their pregnant patients get the vaccine as soon as they can.

  2. There was evidence then - and it’s even stronger evidence now - that the antibodies made do cross the placenta which means the baby might get some immunity against Covid when you get vaccinated in pregnancy.

  3. I was really concerned about getting Covid in late pregnancy as that is when you are most vulnerable to complications due to your heart/lungs/body being under a lot of strain from the pregnancy already. There is evidence to show pregnant women are more likely to be hospitalised/need the ICU with Covid than age-equivalent non-pregnant women.

  4. I was afraid of getting Covid in the hospital in labour or at an early stage of my baby’s life and then passing it on to my newborn inadvertently, as I would be the person with most close contact with her.

  5. This was not known at that time but now there is evidence from over 90,000 pregnant women in the US who have had the mRNA vaccines which show that it is both safe and effective in pregnancy.

The only slight concern I heard about the vaccine in pregnancy was to make sure that if you have side effects of a fever over about 38C to definitely take paracetamol to keep the fever down as they aren’t happy for pregnant women to have a high fever. (But of course if you get Covid then you have a chance of getting a high fever too). So that was my only concern but having had both doses now with very minimal side effects I am very happy with my decision to have the vaccine and I am now considered fully vaccinated according to CDC guidelines which has really helped with my mental health, especially with my anxiety.

CDC guidelines for pregnant women:

www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html

MyBabyBoyBlue · 06/05/2021 14:13

@PlanetSmurf this is really really helpful, thank you. I've been struggling with the decision and am now mostly concentrating my research on US articles and papers which are all very encouraging and helpful.

MintGreenLife · 06/05/2021 14:23

@PlanetSmurf thanks so much for sharing this, I pretty much agree with everything you’ve said. I’ve now booked my vaccination for in 10 days time, and will continue to do research in the meantime to be confident I’m making the right decision x

leftitlate37 · 06/05/2021 14:33

@TedLife @Aozora13 - fully expecting this battle! Before we got told pregnant women were allowed vaccine in their age group, id spoken to GP about getting mine anyway as older (nearly 38) and work in NHS but not front line. I could tell even then was going to be a battle to get to speak to right people,but then next day JCVI changed guidance! have now been fully wondering how on earth they are gonna know when we book, that we need pfizer or moderna and make sure we dont have wasted trips! had been wondering whether going to one of the massive centres in a big city might be better option than local as imagine they are more equipped to store some of the vaccines.
THanks @murmur12 for your update! I have a GP appt tomorrow in person, so might take my chance to speak to someone whilst there. You cant ring on phone and ask ANYTHING covid vaccine related!!! so unless get sorted face to face i can see going round the houses trying to get sorted when get invited for jab! Glad theyve coded u on system so fingers crossed you wont get any hassle!

123feraverto · 06/05/2021 15:16

I am currently 35 weeks pregnant
I work for the nhs as a nurse so it was initially offered through my work before they were aware I was pregnant.
At that time they were not willing to vaccinate pregnant staff.

I'm 30 so haven't been called up for the standard vaccine program but at this point I will most likely wait until after the baby is born unless my midwife advises otherwise.

Notgoodnews · 06/05/2021 16:09

I think pregnant women have been badly let down when it comes to the vaccine rollout in the UK. I am a HCW and actively sought out getting the vaccine during my pregnancy and was thankfully successful (Pfizer, though I personally would have accepted AZ and still would if that was all I could get). Colleagues I know have been refused the vaccine according to some kind of trust policy lottery even though it has been allowed for pregnant HCW since January. These are professional women from healthcare backgrounds able to make an informed decision, treated as passive vessels for fetuses. Ugh. Several pregnant HCW have been reported in national media who have died from covid infection acquired in the third trimester (since start of pandemic). Some of these deaths which followed the vaccine rollout were potentially preventable. But those women had that choice taken from them due solely to their pregnancy, though it actually put them at greater risk of death from covid. How many pregnant women have died from covid vaccination? (None that I am aware of).

The first failure was to exclude pregnant women from clinical trials of the vaccine when there is no theoretical basis for risk to pregnancy. By that I mean, there is no logical reason to think the vaccine would be harmful to pregnancy (AZ is not live and works in the same way as other vaccines which can be given to pregnant women, Pfizer is literally a tiny piece of mRNA etc), it's just a case of not having the evidence to demonstrate safety from trials etc. However, if a lack of evidence is used as the basis for not including pregnant women in trials and not vaccinating pregnant women (eg not collecting evidence) then pregnant women are just left out without a way forward and the default of not being vaccinated. It's circular: "there is not enough evidence for us to proceed with gathering evidence". For a long time now there has been evidence that pregnant women in the third trimester are significantly more likely to need ITU, to die from covid and suffer other adverse outcomes such as emergency CS, their baby being delivered prematurely or needing admission to NICU etc. Why then for so long was the safest course of action assumed to be to leave pregnant women unvaccinated with no way forward? It's only looking at 1 risk (possible, but theoretically implausible risk from vaccination) that is unknown, and totally ignoring another risk (death, ITU etc) which is known, for which evidence does exist. Lazy.

Then, to just communicate "it isn't safe" without offering pregnant women the opportunity to weigh up the uncertainty for themselves, as competent adults is just patriarchal and discriminatory. And now that we are in the position where there is good evidence the Pfizer vaccine is perfectly safe (>90,000 doses given to pregnant women in the US with no significant adverse effects), a complete and sudden U-turn on the messaging that the vaccine is "unsafe" (as opposed to, "very likely to be safe but we haven't proven it") to "you should have it" is understandably causing pregnant women to feel confused, afraid and hesitant.

Given what we know about the additional risk to pregnant women, it also doesn't make sense with the evidence of vaccine safety in pregnancy, that they aren't being prioritised. Many pregnant women are still unable to access the vaccine because they are young (as you would expect!). But to benefit from the greatest reduction is risk is time-critical for pregnant women. Ugh ugh ugh.

Imagine if we had decided not to offer the vaccine in clinical trials to people from minority ethnic backgrounds and then excluded them from the vaccine rollout due to a lack of vaccine safety evidence, despite evidence of higher risks from covid? How is it acceptable to treat pregnant women this way? A pregnant woman can choose an abortion (I am wholly in favour of the right to make this choice) but not to have a potentially life saving vaccine (until fairly recently) in case it somehow harms her fetus (though at no stage has anyone been able explain how this might happen because there is no obvious mechanism from the working of the vaccines). Ugh!

PlanetSmurf · 06/05/2021 16:19

Great post, @Notgoodnews, I totally agree.

MyBabyBoyBlue · 06/05/2021 16:27

@Notgoodnews great post!

Chloejaynexx · 06/05/2021 16:50

I have just been contacted to have my second dose, I had my first before I was pregnant and now I am 6 weeks. I don't feel like I want to take the risk of having the 2nd dose so early in pregnancy, a lot of the stuff I have read say after 12/14weeks is better. Not worth the risk for me x

Choosehappy · 06/05/2021 17:00

This is my first pregnancy, I am 27 years old, took years to conceive and I am type 1 diabetic, as of October last year. (Well managed diabetes)

I have chosen not to get the vaccine until I have given birth.

I work from home and order food shopping online currently, so I am not leaving the house too often, or around lots of different people. My partner is also currently working from home so our bubble is very small. Our situation is not did you change until I have given birth. These are things I have taken into account to make my decision.

Reign21 · 06/05/2021 17:39

Personally I wouldn't because they have not yet been able to test the vaccines effect on babies long term (remember the drug that was given to women and they were told it was safe but it resulted in babies being born with short arms? Can't remember the name of the drug or the condition) but that's enough to put me off. I have also had really serious reactions to previous jabs I have had for example the flu jab, I stopped breathing after it and had to be rushed to hospital so wouldn't risk it

Seahawk80 · 06/05/2021 23:02

@Reign21 I think you mean thalidomide. I understand re your reaction to jabs and it sounds like the right decision for you however I don't think we can compare the covid vaccine to a drug developed and prescribed in the1950s.

BristolEm · 14/05/2021 23:00

I'm 4 weeks pregnant for the first time so just joined MumsNet and really glad I've found this thread as struggled to find any up-to-date info.

My GP couldn't really advise me and said it was my choice. Have also registered to see the midwife but not expecting to hear back for 2 weeks. I received my text this week inviting me for the vaccine and so I've booked online for the 22nd May at one of the large centres in the hope I can get either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine on the day.

My current concerns are getting a fever and putting baby at risk plus I've read the your immune system is weakened around week 6 so I don't know if that will impact the vaccine reaction. On the otherhand I really want to get it done so that I'm not anxious about being around others or of the increase in variants currently in the UK. As so many have already said on this thread, it's so tricky! Really appreciate everyone sharing the reasons behind their choices though.

Aozora13 · 15/05/2021 07:43

@BristolEm welcome! I just had mine at 19 weeks (Pfizer) and had minimal side effects. I was advised to wait until after the first trimester, but I don’t actually know what the rationale for that was. If you’re under 40 you should get Pfizer or Moderna automatically. If not you’ll need to speak to your GP. Congratulations on your pregnancy and good luck with whatever you decide!

Nashsophie13 · 15/05/2021 08:17

@BristolEm congratulations lovely, it is a difficult decision. I think because we have to make it it makes it even harder you can only do what you feel is best for you. I’m still unsure myself to be honest. There’s pros and cons in my eyes. Good luck whatever you decide x

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murmur12 · 15/05/2021 08:21

I got the text message yesterday to book the vaccine and it actually said in the text that it's going to be Pfizer so I guess whatever coding the gp was doing in the system has worked. Somehow I am being sent to a completely different place to get it, not any of the more local ones, but at least I am sure it's the right appointment to get Pfizer. The first date was end of May, by then I will be just over 9 weeks. I know it may not be ideal but I am going by the proven risk of not being fully vaccinated by the 3rd trimester plus I am returning to work where I am exposed to lot of people. Both of my parents got Pfizer and they didn't get much side effects so I am hoping I will be fine.

8dpwoah · 15/05/2021 08:53

I've been posting on a few of these threads previously and just want to share my experience. I could have had it early through work but they weren't advising it during pregnancy at the time so didn't try, plus was in first trimester so wasn't comfortable having it. When the guidance changed I spoke to our local maternity voices about the trust's position, they said there wasn't one and to go to GP.

I am very lucky that our GP surgery is excellent, I got a call back the next day to explain when my age bracket got called I'd be prioritised but at that point they couldn't guarantee which vaccine so might have to be a bit flexible when it came around. Very sensible approach.

Then the guidance changed to say under 40s are to have Pfizer or Moderna so that eliminated that headache. I got a call this week to invite me to have the jab but the lady noticed my note about pregnancy so said she would just double check with a doctor. Phoned back half an hour later and said because I'd already had the conversation she would book me in, I'm going today! 18 weeks so I think a good time. Will possibly mess up my whooping cough timing a little but of the two I'm less concerned about that (I will have it of course, no reason not to, but I'm happier to pop and have that later on than I am trying to navigate the covid protocol!)

I thought I'd be apprehensive about going but when they phoned me I was genuinely a little bit excited. I'd been increasingly worried about being the only unvaccinated person in my family when we go and do things over the summer. I had planned to be cautious and stick to outdoors things, minimise trips to the shops etc but I was still pretty nervous of catching covid so for me having access to the vaccine has come as a relief... I'll report back on symptoms etc as and when!

8dpwoah · 15/05/2021 19:03

Had it at lunchtime and so far so good, just a sore arm. Had a good conversation with the nurse on arrival and was offered the chance to speak to the doctor on duty (but didn't feel I needed to). I can have my whooping cough if I wait a week (I will probably make it two or three) and then will get my second dose at 30 weeks although I'd like to try to get it before my third trimester just in case, I can't articulate why!
So far, so good. Will probably have a couple of paracetamol instead of my usual aspirin tonight just in case.