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Buggies from birth - the great debate

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imjin100 · 11/10/2007 14:18

I'm quite sure this question has been raised many times but as a first timer I'm keen to ask advice and thoughts of the pros on MN who have the real experience of which ones are good. On the march thread (as I'm sure has happened in others) there are lots of really useful points made about different buggies but spread throughout the thread and I can't remember who said what about which one so I thought I'd raise a thread (am i doing it in the right place?)
Obviously everyone can add questions/thoughts but the main ones I'm considering are
Mamas and Papas - Pilko
Phil and Teds
Micralite
Bugaboo....

(I think!) There are millions but all thoughts gratefully received.

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ashadasher · 20/10/2007 01:38

I have used a bugaboo and a quinny buzz and much prefer the latter. its better made and much easier to fold and unfold. theyre both easy to push - i can push the buzz with the fingertips of one hand. i used the cot for the first 4 and a bit months then moved to the pram. much prefer to have something that could face me when my little one was small and now can use it either way depending on the situation. and yes, it folds down still attached (when front facing). neither are very light but unless you live up flights of stairs then i dont see it as relevant - i'm not very strong but even i can lift it in and out of the back of the car.

the other benefit of the quinny is it avoids you being the subject of ridicule (see harry enfield sketch about the bugaboo) and its cheaper.

Tangle · 20/10/2007 09:45

We got the Bugaboo Gecko (ex-display ), because it had a completely flat carrycot, seat unit went either way, it was light and it didn't have double wheels anywhere to trap grit - we live in the country and it does do minor off-roading.

The only problems I'm finding are size of carrycot - DD was looking BIG in it before she reached 6 months, and autumn leaves getting trapped in the suspension. I've also used a sling a lot - being able to handle rough ground is good, but I've yet to find a buggy that can go over a stile with ease!

I've a friend with an XTS Twister that she gets on with very well, but it doesn't fold up small.

Couple of stray "is it plugged in" questions to ask before you buy:

  1. does it fit in my car?
  2. does the car seat fit well in my car?

Got a friend that bought a 2nd car seat because she fell in love with a travel system and bought it without checking...

chunkypudding · 21/10/2007 18:57

I have a new (possibly, someone may have already asked it, this is a long thread )
question...

I can't work out, with either camo or quinny buzz, how practical they are for carrying change bag, bits of shopping etc.

Are the shopping baskets super-tiny? And is that also where you have to put change bag?

Very new to all this. I tend to walk everywhere so I guess this is quite important?

chunkypudding · 21/10/2007 22:19

aaaarghhh why is it so hard to simply make a decision?

chunkypudding · 21/10/2007 22:20

and I meant cameleon not camo...

nappyaddict · 21/10/2007 22:34

you can hang the changing bag over the handle.

Sushipaws · 21/10/2007 22:35

I don't have either a buzz or cameleon, but have serious pram envy for the girls in my post natal group who have the buzz. The two girls with bugaboos can't walk as fast as the wheels are smaller.

Tangle · 22/10/2007 09:29

Now I'm confused - why does the size of the wheels have an impact on how fast you can walk?

nappyaddict · 22/10/2007 16:21

bigger wheels mean it is easier to push without wobbling all over the place so you can go quicker - even run.

FlightAttendant · 22/10/2007 16:34

I think once you have a real live baby in a pushchair, that is the only way you will know...I have had a few that I thought were great until I actually used them with a child inside, and found we turned back round and went home before we had even crossed the road outside our house - they were that bad.

In my humble opinion, it is actually a bit unfair to bump a tiny child around in a small wheeled buggy, unless you only use it on flat, smooth surfaces such as driving to a shopping mall, using it round the shops, then back in the car home again. Otherwise their little arms fling out whenever you go over a bump. ('Moro' reflex that operates when said tiny child thinks it is being dropped/thrown etc!) This only lasts the first few months really, and they notice every little bump so a walk may get them off to sleep but it will be pretty disturbed sleep unless you have some serious suspension.
That is the only reason I'd recommend a bouncy pushchair or pram until at least 3 months.
Small wheels are great for shops as the buggy tends to be narrower - I have a maclaren but I would not use it yet at 4 months, except for said shopping mall, because I believe the big air tyres are better for little one's comfort.
I would say that the buggy type (Maclaren etc.) are great when the child is around a year old, up to about 2.5 or 3, when they become a bit heavy to push with a big child in them and thence something like a Quinny Freestyle or similar (light but with air tyres) is fantastically light to push, even if you 3 year old is built like a boxer (as mine was!)

So my pattern is, big air tyres for newborn, small buggy wheels for toddlerhood, and finally, back to the air for a 'why-aren't-you-walking-yet-anyway' type child!

Oh and you need swivel wheels for that last one as well, or you will probably break the handlebars/develop arms like a trucker, just turning corners.

FlightAttendant · 22/10/2007 16:44

I can't even remember if I've already posted on this thread but here are my top favourites of all time (currently on forty-first pushchair/pram)

(ie. the ones I'll keep just in case I have another child!)

  1. Easylife Sport. Transports my hefty four year old with no trouble at all. Can be used from birth - see profile for (non-ec recommended) dual use, baby-on-his-lap format!)

  2. Gesslein Trend - reversible handle in case of sunlight in the eyes, fabrics like a quality pair of curtains - we have brocade upholstery on ours! - and a cocoon for a tiny baby, all on bouncy suspension. German made. They think of these things.

  3. Maclaren Techno - haven't even used it yet, but it is just the Upper Crust of buggies, you can see instantly! And it has suspension.

  4. Jane Nomad - I think, though again yet to use properly. Just very child friendly and also great quality. Slalom is probably even better but the shopping basket is smaller.

saskia71 · 25/10/2007 18:11

I'm new to the travel system/pushchair market (first baby), and find it absolutely amazing and appalling that most of the industry finds it acceptable to supply a 6 month guarantee, on items that in many cases cost several hundred pounds. The pushchair I had initially wanted (~£500) only comes with said 6 month guarantee, so that's out for a start. I am now overwhelmed by a consumer choice of two brands. These are only ones to come with an acceptable 2 year guarantee (I've asked a number of shops).

If a manufacturer?s guarantee is for 6 months (or in a few cases 1 year), the conclusion I will draw is how they rate the build quality of their product. When I can go out and buy a hairdryer for £20 that comes with a 2 year guarantee, I don't think it unreasonable to expect as much as this on a pushchair/travel system that costs very much more. Has anyone else noticed this when buying their system, or perhaps you are expected to hope for the best!

lubyluby · 25/10/2007 18:25

ooh yes i forgot about gesslein prams, they are the bees knees of quality engineering when it coems to prams. the germans know how to build a sturdy pram.

i currently have a hesslein M1 whihc is on ebay but i am debating taking it off as can't bear to be parted from it.

it has fab suspension, as the pp said a reversible handle so you just flip it over and breaks on both sides, you owuld be amazed at the numbe rof prasm that have flip over handles with the brakes only on one side!

the padded babys nest is fab, its a littel soft carrycot so baby is in a proper pram style environment, and the foomtuff is amazing, so thick and quilted, would love one for myself to snuggle up in.

some really fab designs too, and all of the prams coem in all of the designs.

spugs · 26/10/2007 17:50

bugaboo has a \2 year guarentee, m&p 1 year and mothercare give you a year if it costs over £100

SazzaK · 26/10/2007 22:46

Wouldn't put a small bubba in a maclaren-type buggy. Got a Techno XT at 5 months and it's great for the car boot and holidays, but I think a newborn should be cocooned and facing mum. My daughter is now 18 months and faces me the whole time. in our usual pushchair (bugaboo) I talk to her and point things out as we go along. The comment about walking slowly with a Bugaboo was a very strange one. Maybe they are unfit! Nothing to do with the pram I assure you!

onlybananas · 27/10/2007 14:06

I went for the Pliko Pramette with my first, and thought it was great. It folds up really small - even fits into the boot of my Fiesta and is relatively light to push.

SweetTrickorTreatFA · 29/10/2007 12:29

Luby! Glad someone else has heard of them!!!
They go so cheaply on ebay, because they are not well known...ours was used about twice and I paid £125 rather than the original £500- it cost them new. It was perfect condition.
Teutonia are also excellent but ours has fabrics from the Britax-linked era, which are not great. Frame is a masterpiece however!

And scrap the Jane from my list - cannot access the basket, and some rivets have snapped while it was a display model - goodness knows what ordinary use will do to it!
Sazza, I know what you mean about the guarantee. I think they fully expect people to thrash their pushchairs, and you should really be able to put some heavy use on it especially if you don't own a car.
The best I've had so far for sturdy, throw-a-brick-at-it kind of quality, was a Cosatto T4. They don't make them any more, nearest is a Silver Cross techno I think it was called, which used a pretty identical design, not so strong though IMO...I used to use the T4 every day, I used to go skip hunting with it, and have carried such things as bricks, tiles and once a couple of small cast iron safes without causing any damage at all to the basket. Now that is build quality!! Add an engine and you would have a car

PuppyDogEyes · 29/10/2007 23:01

i can't take it anymore.

i give in.

pushchair/pram/travel system whatever it is I give in.

after months of looking into this i still don't know which to get.

That's it. DH can choose. (he's got his eyes closed sticking a pin in the catalogue now )

i cannot even bear to look at pictures of them anymore.

or the baby can choose when it gets here.

NorthernLurker · 29/10/2007 23:26

Puppydogeyes - why don't you let your mil pick

SweetTrickorTreatFA · 30/10/2007 06:50

Sorry if we have upset you, just trying to help but probably, erm, overwhelmed instead...

PuppyDogEyes · 30/10/2007 09:26

Northern lurker !!! you`re terrible !!! LOL!

Sweet trick - not the fault of this thread. just happened to see this thread, thought i would vent, rather than send the laptop flying across the room (followed by a range of catalogues)

I think its inevitable to buy the wrong one, does anyone actually buy one that suits their need, the first time?

it seems everyone says they started with X then got Y (and if lucky...then got Z) and still didn't like it but dealt with it.

urgh, still can't look at them .

SweetTrickorTreatFA · 30/10/2007 09:34

No, nobody gets the right one from the start... it is a long and winding road, for most of us...though I'm sure a few people managed it, minor miracle if you ask me! The thing is you just don't know till you try them with a real baby in, by which time it is too late as you have bought the bloody thing, or else you have been arrested for spending each day from 9 till 5 lurking in a shop and trying every single buggy.

I couldn't look at baby stuff when I was pregnant, it made me feel sick for some reason. Well, that was till the last 2 months when I suddenly bought about 12 buggies off ebay. And resold most of them...

Don't panic, borrow a few babies and see what you think of their pushchairs. Or push a friend's for a few minutes. It's the only way.

paws4thought · 30/10/2007 10:36

I can strongly recommend the bugaboo cameleon. It took me 4 attempts to get the right buggy and now i couldnt do without this one!

frannieinthecity · 17/11/2007 18:15

hi all,
A quick question - is a maclaren's techno XT ok for a new baby? Some reviews say it's great from birth but some say it doesn't go completely flat. Help!
thanks

TheBlonde · 17/11/2007 18:25

Yes Maclaren Techno is fine from birth - it doesn't go completely flat but as good as

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