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Edwards syndrome markers

338 replies

Starlive22 · 20/12/2017 11:14

I've been told I've got too much amniotic fluid and the baby is measuring a bit large for dates.

I've got another growth scan in 2 weeks.

Afterwards the doctor mentioned Edwards Syndrome as a possible cause (amongst many others) and this has me so worried.

The 20 week scan showed no abnormalities at all, everything seemed perfect...I just stupidly assumed that meant that these types of things would be spotted.

My blood test result didn't mention Edwards or Patau Syndrome just said I was lower risk for Down's syndrome and I left it at that, nobody mentioned anything until now.

Is it possible my baby has this life threatening syndrome and it has gone unnoticed? She looks so perfect from the scan...I feel so panicked. Will know more after the scan on 2nd Jan but feel like I'll panic all over Xmas now because of this.

I just assumed it would have been picked up in an earlier scan?

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Starlive22 · 18/01/2018 10:30

@SleepingStandingUp Hahahaha yes I hope so!!!! I will forgive them all their wrongdoing if they have some kind of witchy intuition xx

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SleepingStandingUp · 18/01/2018 10:33

They will be intolerable with their told you so's but you can just smile knowingly that its all those rats feek and ravens claws they have in their cauldron

mnahmnah · 18/01/2018 10:37

Hi. I’ve followed this from the start, but just not known what to say! The women at work sound so heartless. Please try to block them out, you have enough to worry about. Take care of yourself and baby. All fingers crossed for you and her. Hope you manage to distract yourself with work x

Starlive22 · 18/01/2018 11:06

They just aren't very compassionate but they aren't really bad people. Suppose just nobody knows what to say to me so they just pretend I'm not upset. My MIL is a bit like that. She's crap around other people's grief so she just doesn't acknowledge it. She's not a bad person, just shit with what she finds awkward.

Still no news. I feel like I'm start to become a stalker to that poor receptionist at the clinic.

Kind of wish they hadn't said a week as now it feels like forever xx

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MadisonAvenue · 18/01/2018 11:22

Fingers crossed for good news later today Flowers

Starlive22 · 18/01/2018 12:17

I feel like I'm losing my mind, I can't stop crying and the women at work are telling me stories about when their kids were babies! Maybe I'm being over sensitive, in fact I know I am but why are they smiling and being so jovial when I'm sitting here so upset? It's so weird it's like I'm not even in the room x

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SleepingStandingUp · 18/01/2018 12:30

I think like you said some people are crap at others emotions. So we'll just pretend its all ok and they'll pull themselves together. not helpful when what you need is a cuppa and a hug or at least some empathy

KTD27 · 18/01/2018 12:32

Oh star. I’m sorry. This has to be the worst bit as you’re so close and it’s literally a matter of hours / days.
Hope something arrives soon

thisismadness77 · 18/01/2018 12:50

Feel for you this is awfully long. As I say, I would think that meant good news. Of course it’s not helpful to speculate but isnt bad news usually quite forthcoming?

happydays00 · 18/01/2018 13:39

staralive I've been following this from the start and keep checking back to see if you have any news yet! It must be such an agonising wait for you, the (aptly names) witches at work sound absolutely awful and I can't believe how lacking in empathy they are. My fingers, toes, hair and everything else possible are crossed for you. I so hope you receive some good news today and can start to look forward to baby Daisy's arrival. Stay strong Flowers

Bez9087 · 18/01/2018 13:52

Can’t beieve you haven’t heard yet. Another one that commented at the start I’m keeping everything crossed for you and keep checking in to see if you have heard anything 🤞🏻🤞🏻

Starlive22 · 18/01/2018 14:08

I've had to come home from work, just said I'm not feeling well. If I get in trouble then so be it, I can't sit there crying, god knows I'm not concentrating on anything. I think they were relieved I went home.

Just sitting at home now waiting for the phone to ring but at least if I get upset it's in the privacy of my own home with only my cat looking at me.

Thank you again so much everyone for keeping me going, I just can't say how much it's helping. So nice to have you all here, it's a wonderful community which I never expected at all xxx

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Bez9087 · 18/01/2018 14:12

Surely under the circumstances they can’t penalise you at work?
Keep thinking no news is good news 🤞🏻 Especially when they do the amino within nhs the actual Edwards results is through within first three days. X

Emu31 · 18/01/2018 14:40

Sounds like home is the best place for you to be at the moment and as you say at least you have some privacy and space there. There is no shame whatsoever in taking care of yourself through this stressful time in whichever ways you might need to. They would have to be very heartless for you to be in any sort of trouble with work and I would say that would even be discriminatory if it happened. It seems there are lots of us willing and hoping for a happy outcome for you and baby Daisy as quickly as possible and I have high hopes that the universe is listening x

Starlive22 · 18/01/2018 14:48

I'm sure Work will be ok, it's just that I've never really had much time off but the witches were ok with me at least.

Feeling very grateful for everyone's kind words and wishes, I know a lot of you have gone through this too.

Still fingers crossed for today xx

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Aliasgrace1 · 18/01/2018 14:49

Good luck Star, I really really hope you hear today xxx

DoctorLavande · 18/01/2018 15:14

So sorry you are going through this stress. I am five weeks pregnant with my first child myself and am wracked with worry. I can’t imagine how difficult it must be for you to hear the word “Edwards Syndrome” (or any “syndrome”) without having confirmation that this even the case.

“Too much amniotic fluid” is known medically as polyhydramnios, which occurs in ~0.5-2.0% of all pregnancies. It is caused by any condition that causes the fetus to have an increase in urine production or decrease in fetal swallowing.

There are many degrees of polyhydramnios: mild, moderate or severe. Not surprisingly, mild is better than severe.

Polyhydramnios is usually first discovered subjectively (i.e., the sonogram technician says, “wow, there’s a mild, moderate, or severe amount of extra amniotic fluid... that looks like it could be polyhydramnios”) and is then followed up by more precise measurements that can give you the OFFICIAL diagnosis. Because there can be some component of human error (some will see mild polyhydramnios when others will see a normal amount of fluid), many physicians like to perform a second follow-up scan (as it sounds like your physician is doing) before officially giving you the diagnosis.

From the patient’s perspective, however, it’s not that straightforward. Usually, after that first scan where polyhydramnios might be seen, doctors tell their patients that they may have “polyhydramnios” and suggest all the possibilities it could be… Which is terrifying to hear. So please, unless you heard the words “moderate or severe polyhydramnios” at that first scan… please (try) to relax until this is confirmed on your second scan.

There are many causes—and they usually differ based on severity (mild, moderate, or severe).

  • Mild polyhydramnios is most caused by idiopathic factors 40% of the time (i.e., nobody knows why it happens). In these cases, about 75% of these babies will not be diagnosed with an abnormality at birth (only 25% will). Another 25% of mild cases are caused by the mom of the fetus having diabetes mellitus (do you have diabetes?), and then a smaller percentage of mild cases are caused by having twins (which doesn’t sound like your case).
  • Severe polyhydramnios is usually caused by a genetic abnormality or syndromes like Edwards Syndrome. These cases, of course, are the most concerning to physicians and patients.

Edwards Syndrome, or trisomy 18, is also associated with many different sonographic “markers” such as limb abnormalities, nuchal thickening, neural tube defects, facial/cardiovascular/gastrointestinal defects, etc. These abnormalities are found in two-thirds of Edwards Syndrome fetuses between 17 and 24 weeks. Overall, 90% of trisomy 18 cases are diagnosed pre-natally by seeing these sonographic “markers” PLUS seeing abnormal screens (in the 1st trimester: VERY LOW beta-hCG and PAPP-A levels; 2nd trimester: LOW levels of alpha-fetoprotein, unconjugated estriol, and human chorionic gonadotropin). That means about 10% of cases are not detected through the sonogram + screen combination… So that is certainly not the majority.

It sounds like you had a normal result in your first trimester screen, and aside from the polyhydramnios, you didn’t have any of the “markers” of Edwards syndrome at your 20-week scan—which is reassuring.

I hope your scan on January 2 went well. If you had polyhydramnios at that time, your doctor can offer you more definitive testing (cfDNA) that is 97.7% accurate at detecting Edwards Syndrome. So if there is still a suspicion of Edwards syndrome, hopefully this newer test can give you some clarity.

I hope the polyhydramnios was a fluke. But if not, please know that it is better that you know in advance so that you can work with your doctor to decide what’s the next best step for you and your family. I cannot imagine how stressful/terrifying this must be for you, but please know you have done EVERYTHING RIGHT. If this turns out to be Edwards Syndrome, it is in NOT your fault in any way.

Stay strong—you can handle anything that comes your way. Just take this one step at time… Try to be present in the moment and know that the answers will come soon.

Wishing you all the best,

M.O.

Sources:

Palomaki, G.E., Messerlian, G.M., Halliday, J.V. (2017). Prenatal screening for common aneuploidies using cell-free DNA. In V.A. Barss (Ed.), UpToDate. Retrieved January 18, 2018, from www.uptodate.com/contents/prenatal-screening-for-common-aneuploidies-using-cell-free-dna.

Beloosesky, R, and Ross, M.G. (2018). Polyhydramnios. In V.A. Barss (Ed.), UpToDate. Retrieved January 18, 2018, www.uptodate.com/contents/polyhydramnios.

Abele H, Starz S, Hoopmann M, et al. Idiopathic polyhydramnios and postnatal abnormalities. Fetal Diagn Ther 2012; 32:251.

Dorleijn DM, Cohen-Overbeek TE, Groenendaal F, et al. Idiopathic polyhydramnios and postnatal findings. J Matern Fetal Neonatal Med 2009; 22:315.

Touboul C, Boileau P, Picone O, et al. Outcome of children born out of pregnancies complicated by unexplained polyhydramnios. BJOG 2007; 114:489.

Starlive22 · 18/01/2018 15:42

IT CAME BACK LOW RISK!!!!

Finally got the call. 1 in 10,000

I can't believe it, I can't even get my head around it, I just can't believe how lucky I am.

I just can't believe it! 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊

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iggleypiggly · 18/01/2018 15:44

What excellent news, now sit back, relax and enjoy Flowers

PenguinChristmas · 18/01/2018 15:59

I’ve just read your whole thread. Words can’t explain how happy I am to see your last post ☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️ Congratulations!!!

thisismadness77 · 18/01/2018 15:59

And breathe..... great news!!! :)

lampert · 18/01/2018 15:59

This is blooming MARVELLOUS!!! I am so pleased for you!! GrinFlowers

Emu31 · 18/01/2018 15:59

Wahoooo! Wonderful news, what a huge relief. So pleased for you Xx

TeddyIsaHe · 18/01/2018 15:59

Fantastic news op! So glad you can enjoy the rest of your pregnancy without it hanging over your head Flowers

Aliasgrace1 · 18/01/2018 16:01

Amazing news!!!! You can start buying stuff for baby Daisy and enjoy the rest of your pregnancy xxx

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