Babies never alone until 6 months?

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I was reading up on SIDS following another thread. If babies should always sleep in the same room as you, I guess that means in the evening they should be downstairs with you until you go bed?

Just wondering how it works and if you did this, did it affect trying to set up a bedtime routine?

Sorry if its a stupid question but I had only thought about night-time sleeping so far.

It is well known that babies should be in the same Room as their parents for the first six months as it helps to regulate their breathing

I cannot find anywhere - NHS, Lullaby Trust or otherwise - which actually says this, or indeed provides any rationale as to why the baby sleeping in the same room with you reduces SIDS.

Can I ask a question? I have baby twins, currently in our room but when they get too big for Moses baskets, cots won't fit, as there are two of them will they regulate each others' breathing if they go into their own room?

My daughter is 5months and goes to sleep for the night at 8pm until about 6am. I go up about half 10 so we have a HD sensitive monitor in the room with her. I think watching a movie in the lounge would wake her.

@raviolidreaming

https://www.isisonline.org.uk/sleephealth/sleepaids/slings/

@raviolidreaming

https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x1011521/how-to-avoid-the-risk-of-sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-during-daytime-naps

@stargirl1701

That link doesn't work I'm afraid

@raviolidreaming

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/pages/reducing-risk-cot-death.aspx

How's this?

https://www.isisonline.org.uk/sleephealth/sleepp_aids/slings/

I guess we no longer need the brackets then?

www.babycentre.co.uk/x1011521/how-to-avoid-the-risk-of-sudden-infant-death-syndrome-sids-during-daytime-naps

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/pregnancy-and-baby/Pages/getting-baby-to-sleep.aspx#

I'm obviously missing something. I'm not debating the advice is to keep them in the same room to sleep but I can't see anywhere that says WHY. The sling link talks about reducing anxiety etc, but that's as far as I can see.

I genuinely can't see anything that says about regulating breathing or why the advice is what it is, other than it reduces SIDS.

As in, the sling article is talking can't the benefits of physical closeness which isn't the same as being in the same room. The NHS link certainly doesn't reference regulating breathing, or any other reason WHY the recommendation is made.

I am not sure there is a definite reason known. The advice I believe is based on studies that has showed a correlation between higher rates of SIDS and babies who have been sleeping alone. There have been suggestions about the possible reasons, such as helping babies regulate their breathing, but no substantive reason is actually known or whether there is a causal link or just correlation.

*about, not can't

Thank you, Brugmansia - that would explain why I can't find anything definitive then! Sharing generic advice is one thing, but it's not helpful to suggest there are facts behind advice if those facts don't exist.

What you have to remember is that no one knows definitively what causes SIDS. The advice has come about as ways to reduce the risk of SIDS.

There are theories, I think but nothing proven yet.

When I had just had DS I had an interesting conversation with one of MIL's friends who is a health visitor who had been practicing since the early 70s.

She told me that when she first started out the team that she was part of would deal with SIDS relatively regularly. It still was not common but there would be a couple of cases a year. She now couldn't remember the last time she had come across a case and there certainly had not been one for years.

She did not attribute any particular reason for the drop and thought it was probably an accumulation of the different recommendations. Her own observation though was that over the years that she had been working in general housing standards had improved a lot. When she started often parents would be in very damp and poorly ventilated accommodation.

The biggest drop came after the back to sleep campaign.

It is very rare now in Scotland. The stillbirth rate is shockingly high though. Way above comparable countries.

14 babies in Scotland in 2014.

www.lullabytrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sids-sudc-facts-and-figures-2014-released-2016.pdf

The back to sleep campaign has been absolutely wonderful - and absolutely lifesaving based on the evidence - but has nothing to do with what room the baby is sleeping in.

Sorry if I seem like I'm being deliberately difficult, but it's tiring to see 'facts' and links shared which don't prove anything. I have never seen anything except on forums about regulating breathing, and nor had my midwife when I queried it as DS's cot is on the other side of the room from me so I doubt he can hear me...

No, that was for Brug and her HV friend observation.

This covers a few theories.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3268262/#!po=48.0769

DD is 7 weeks and naps downstairs during the day (either in pram or on me) and I take her up to bed with me at 10pm. DS was going down to bed at 7pm at the same age in our room with a video monitor but DD is very unsettled and colicky in the evenings so we haven't done this yet. Absolutely plan to though before she's 6 months.